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Both conservatives and liberals don’t want people discussing how easily the Dems could put a stop to this, and that they’ve been covertly participating in all of it.
I'm neither but I'd love to hear how you believe Dems can put a stop to these tarrifs? It's either A. Presidential power (which I don't believe it is) or B. Congressional power (which is Republican majority)
By being obstructionist. Same playbook the GOP uses with ease, when the Dems are in power.
Simply not approving nominees and not voting ‘yes’ on Trump agenda items would go a long way, but the majority of elected Dems can’t even do that.
Given that the Dems just issued a thank you letter to ICE agents, in the middle of their domestic violence, tells you all you need to know.
Every Dem just voted no on that stupid Bill, did nothing because they are the minority in both houses.
It worked when the Republicans did so, because they were the majority in one of the houses and have been since 2009.
So for 15 years they have been able to block anything they wanted. And it was only for 2 months really in 2009. Before that was 1993.
A lot is/can happen right now because there will be at least 2 full years of the Republicans holding both parts of the legislature.
The Dems coordinate their votes. They unanimously vote no, when the Republicans can carry it on their own. When it’s a close vote, the Dems produce as many token turncoats as necessary.
The Dems have also held multiple majorities in that 15 year period.
I don’t think you’re stupid enough to not understand this. I think you’re a liar and a bad actor.
Your information is false and that's why you think I'm lying. Show me 1 time that the Democrats held Congress and the Senate since 2009. If you win Congress and lose in the Senate it goes no where. I think you are completely failing at understanding how our government works or are as you said. A bad actor.
So you believe the republicans hold monopoly control of obstructist strategies? What prevents the Democrats from doing it? Why are Democrats continuing to approve Trump nominees? Why are any Democrats voting to fund Trump’s agenda? Why did democrats just release a thank you to ICE, as they build concentration camps?
No, I'm not saying they hold the monopoly on obstruction. Every Republican bitched for 4 years during Trump's first term that Democrats blocked everything. (He didn't have the Senate and Congress Majority from 2017-2021)
Democrats shouldn't have approved trump nominees, but even if they voted against they would have been approved by the majority of Republican votes. The one notable flop that Democrats won was Matt Gaetz not getting in.
Also this thread was about Tarrifs, but like I said there are many really shitty Democrats politicians out there, it doesn't mean they can block anything without getting Republicans to turn their votes against the party
Would you like to get into how many times the Republicans have been able to rely on token Dems to cross the aisle to help pass their agenda? We can then break down whether those turncoats were primaries or protected by the party.
If the republicans can pass it without the Dems, that makes their betrayal a worse example. Not better. Wild you think that’s a defense.
Can you give an example of one where enough Republicans voted against that it would have failed? If that didn't happen yes it is a betrayal to their party, but it doesn't mean they could have blocked it. (which is what people are asking them to do in this thread)
(edit to throw in) also It feels like a betrayal to us because we are further left than the Democrats, but the Democrats have a lot of overlapping views with Republicans, which if your voter base has 60% support and 40% against (things like Israel, it sucks but that politician is supposed to vote for Israel)
Israel sucked so bad because the truth is that the majority of the Democrats supported Israel when the war started, and by thr time 50%+ didn't, it was far to late
Wanna go back over the last 30+ years of Democrats helping Republicans pass their evil shit? I’m down. I’d also love to throw in how many of these turncoats the party protected from primaries, while the party actively primaried their progressives.
There’s no “us” here. You’re a liberal. I’m a leftist. Don’t go convincing yourself you’re not on the right.
https://rollcall.com/2025/01/20/democrats-senate-laken-riley-act/
https://www.yahoo.com/news/democrats-cross-aisle-back-gop-035900823.html
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/18/crypto-stablecoins-senate
https://www.them.us/story/81-democrats-joined-republicans-passing-defense-bill-ndaa-anti-trans
You have no idea what I believe in, you just don't like that I pointed out that the Democrats can't block any of this without Republican support.
How many more links would you like to prove you wrong? What’s the number? Set the goalpost, and I’ll reach it.
https://lemmy.world/comment/18235309
Also for your breakdown:
Lake Riley act Democrats couldn't have blocked
The North Carolina budget (not federal) has a Republican Senate and Congress as well, can't verify what the party line votes even were
crypto bill: Democrats helped pass bill to put "guardrails" on crypto currencys.
Gender affirming care, Democrats couldnt have blocked
So what we see from your examples is that Democrats are worried about Crypto as much as Republicans are.
There was already a significant enough faction of republicans opposing that it required democrats to pass each of these, which was what you asked for and what you got. And now, as expected, you’ve got plenty of excuses.
Everyone mark this astroturf bot in your apps. We got another liberal here pretending to be a pragmatic leftist with a DNC dick in their mouth.
Nope, I looked up the vote numbers by party. Both federal bills outside of the crypto required no Democrats support. It's just reported that way in those articles because they want to point out that their are shit Democrats.
The North Carolina budget I know nothing about, what they spend money on in their state really has nothing to do with the federal governments agenda.
For example 52 Republican senators voted for the Laken Riley Act. - that means it is impossible to block
Anti-trans NDAA: house republicans were 20 votes short of a majority.
Laken Riley act: house republicans were 44 votes short of a majority senate republicans 11 votes short.
March ‘25 spending bill: senate republicans 8 votes short.
And why do you think Democrats stopping a budget in North Carolina has anything to do with stopping Trump.
Do you see at the top where it says “senate”? Do you understand the difference between the house and senate? Do you not understand that bills need to pass BOTH?
Also there were 217 votes by Senate Republicans for it, and there are only 212 democrats in the house, so once again, impossible
HOUSE Republicans needed 218 to pass it.
Vacancies made it less as I discussed in the other comment, but I think you can win this discussion for the gender affirming care one.
The majority of Republicans voted for it, but they wouldn't have toppled 217
And it’s not about winning. It’s about encouraging people to pull their heads out of their ass, and recognize that we are fighting two fascist parties. Not just the GOP.
And again, those vacancies are the fault of the Dems.
Yes, remember when you gave me the information to look up the Senate? How would I know to fact check a link you didn't send
Wrong link, but I specifically called out the house.
https://lemmy.world/comment/18235714
Which I just put elsewhere: 217 Republican votes. (Impossible block, even if the Democrats all hated it which clearly they didn't)
It needed 218 to pass with a majority.
There are currently 4 vacancies in Congress, half a point a piece per vacancy means 216 to pass, granted it may have been 217 at the time, may have only been 3 out. Hence why they had 217 votes.
Edit: It may have been 3 at the time, either way 216.5 votes
And those vacancies are also the fault of the DNC and their gerontocracy. Party leadership knew Gerry Connolly was dying, and still pushed his appointment to the house oversight committee.
https://www.businessinsider.com/8-members-congress-died-office-democrats-2025-5
Note that doesn't mean there arent shit Democrats who vote for right wing ideals by the way, there are many
And how many of them do you think the party leadership primaried? How many of these do you think the party protected?
there are no easy methods to stop it. if it was easy they would have done it. the only options are to do very difficult things that end up getting you arrested (which, you know, a few democrats are doing and getting arrested for)
I'm sorry, but there was a court case about top secret documents in a bathroom that never went to trial in 4 fucking years. That would have stopped it.
If Bidens AG pushed that case with the urgency it deserved, we would not be in this shit show.
Every single one of Trumps immediate executive actions could have been tested by the Biden admin during his time to get the SC opinion on executive overreach before it was Trump doing the same.
Specifically, Biden, at any time, could have pushed the DOJ to make the toilet trial happen immediately. But instead, we have Trumps DOJ building concentration camps in 8 days and filling it with people who have no due process.
All it takes for evil to prevail is good men to stand by and do nothing.
This trail was 4 years of that.
It easily could have prevented all this. Instead it sat on a back burner and we were told it wasn't worth watching as there was no way it would boil over.
You want to tell me that there's no way the Dems could have looked at that pot in 4 years to prevent it from boiling over?
How about not taking years to look at it?
The Dems are either gullible or stupid for taking so long, neither of which is an excuse for letting that trial never happen considering the consequences would be the supercharged orange Shitler we now have as a leader.
Voting ‘no’ on bills and nominees is very easy for them. They don’t do it.
How’d the GOP force the Democrats to send a ‘thank you’ to ICE for their current crackdown?
This is false.
Republicans control all three branches of government. The Dems could vote no on everything and it'll still pass without a few Republicans also voting no, which they have proven they won't do.
A lot of this bullshit is coming from executive orders that shouldn't be allowed, but the Republican controlled supreme Court is hand waving that shit through. These COMPLETELY BYPASS CONGRESS.
Literally ANY procedural rule the Dems could use to thwart them is a hand wave from some Republicans away from not existing.
I dont like ice and I dont like the democrats who sent a thank you note.
Then stop repeating the lies they’re telling to pretend they can’t do anything about it.
would it help if I told you im not a democrat
What’s the material difference between a Democrat vs someone who’s not a Democrat but dutifully repeats their propaganda?