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[–] 3abas@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

So focused on hate

Cope better. There was no hate.

The lower price would mean lower quality traditionally yes

No no no, it's not lower quality, it's just not luxury. It's better than the $5 Hershey bars available to you in the US. This is not a law of economics, it's a capitalist assumption. Lower prices can mean lower quality in for-profit contexts because companies cut costs to maximize profit. But in a nonprofit, state-run model, the goal is different: providing a high-quality public good at an accessible price. This is a de-commodification of a necessity or cultural staple. Chocolate in Mexico has deep indigenous and historical roots.

Then creating regulation as a governance is expected the lowest prices. Did they circumvent regulations, taxes, etc.

I don't know, did they?

The insinuation here is that the government is cheating the system. But if the government is the one setting or adapting the regulations, this is not circumvention, it's governance. State-run enterprises often don't need to chase profit margins because their revenue model isn't extractive.

HENCE, how could a capitalist compete

Correct, that’s the point. The state provides a baseline to protect people from price-gouging and artificial scarcity. Capitalists can compete, but they must add value, not by suppressing wages or cutting quality, but by genuine innovation or diversification.

This is similar to how public healthcare in many countries sets a baseline: if private healthcare wants to exist, it must offer more, not extract more.

Over extension of power leads to suppression of the workers, field owners, and consumers. With capitalism winning.

This is incoherent nonsense. Capitalism "winning" through the suppression of workers is not a bug; it's a feature. State efforts to offer goods affordably often arise precisely to counteract capitalist suppression.

The idea that public chocolate production suppresses workers more than Nestlé or Hershey's, companies with notorious labor violations, is laughable.

You have so little experience with the pain of the world that you can only dream your comforts.

That’s just a rhetorical grenade, you’re not engaging with what I said, you’re trying to discredit me personally. And honestly, it’s frustrating. You’re implying that lived suffering and collective solutions can’t go hand in hand, but that’s just not true. Some of the fiercest, most committed advocates for public goods come from deep struggle, especially across the Global South.