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[–] ragingHungryPanda@lemmy.zip 117 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)
[–] tal@lemmy.today 36 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

I mean, the bar to go get a reference book to look something up is significantly higher than "pull my smartphone out of my pocket and tap a few things in".

Here's an article from 1945 on what the future of information access might look like.

https://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/unbound/flashbks/computer/bushf.htm

The Atlantic Monthly | July 1945

"As We May Think"

by Vannevar Bush

Eighty years ago, the stuff that was science fiction to the people working on the cutting edge of technology looks pretty unremarkable, even absurdly conservative, to us in 2025:

Like dry photography, microphotography still has a long way to go. The basic scheme of reducing the size of the record, and examining it by projection rather than directly, has possibilities too great to be ignored. The combination of optical projection and photographic reduction is already producing some results in microfilm for scholarly purposes, and the potentialities are highly suggestive. Today, with microfilm, reductions by a linear factor of 20 can be employed and still produce full clarity when the material is re-enlarged for examination. The limits are set by the graininess of the film, the excellence of the optical system, and the efficiency of the light sources employed. All of these are rapidly improving.

Assume a linear ratio of 100 for future use. Consider film of the same thickness as paper, although thinner film will certainly be usable. Even under these conditions there would be a total factor of 10,000 between the bulk of the ordinary record on books, and its microfilm replica. The Encyclopoedia Britannica could be reduced to the volume of a matchbox. A library of a million volumes could be compressed into one end of a desk. If the human race has produced since the invention of movable type a total record, in the form of magazines, newspapers, books, tracts, advertising blurbs, correspondence, having a volume corresponding to a billion books, the whole affair, assembled and compressed, could be lugged off in a moving van. Mere compression, of course, is not enough; one needs not only to make and store a record but also be able to consult it, and this aspect of the matter comes later. Even the modern great library is not generally consulted; it is nibbled at by a few.

Compression is important, however, when it comes to costs. The material for the microfilm Britannica would cost a nickel, and it could be mailed anywhere for a cent. What would it cost to print a million copies? To print a sheet of newspaper, in a large edition, costs a small fraction of a cent. The entire material of the Britannica in reduced microfilm form would go on a sheet eight and one-half by eleven inches. Once it is available, with the photographic reproduction methods of the future, duplicates in large quantities could probably be turned out for a cent apiece beyond the cost of materials.

If the user wishes to consult a certain book, he taps its code on the keyboard, and the title page of the book promptly appears before him, projected onto one of his viewing positions. Frequently-used codes are mnemonic, so that he seldom consults his code book; but when he does, a single tap of a key projects it for his use. Moreover, he has supplemental levers. On deflecting one of these levers to the right he runs through the book before him, each page in turn being projected at a speed which just allows a recognizing glance at each. If he deflects it further to the right, he steps through the book 10 pages at a time; still further at 100 pages at a time. Deflection to the left gives him the same control backwards.

A special button transfers him immediately to the first page of the index. Any given book of his library can thus be called up and consulted with far greater facility than if it were taken from a shelf. As he has several projection positions, he can leave one item in position while he calls up another. He can add marginal notes and comments, taking advantage of one possible type of dry photography, and it could even be arranged so that he can do this by a stylus scheme, such as is now employed in the telautograph seen in railroad waiting rooms, just as though he had the physical page before him.

[–] ragingHungryPanda@lemmy.zip 5 points 11 months ago

That's a neat find!

[–] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'd highly recommend going down to your local library and seeing if they have any microfilm copies of the local paper. It's kinda fun just scrolling through the years and seeing what people felt was important enough to put to print. A lot of smaller towns used to publish interpersonal gossip. (The Harringtons of 5th Avenue entertained a Mr. Somensuch last Wednesday night.)

[–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

They still do. Birthdays and funerals are also fodder for small town print papers.

[–] Redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago

Amusingly, in a way, we are using microphotography (photolithography) to produce images on the scale of hundreds of atoms. Then we stack those images to achieve dense structures of data that can be read out electronically (flash chips).
Making a rom chip using this technology would be a lot like that encyclopedia britannica in a matchbox, except more around the size of a grain of dust. Of course we tend to make ram instead, where information is only encoded after the photolithography is done creating the structure.

[–] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Well, where would you download them? Or if you're talking about printed books: where would you order them? See?

[–] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 25 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Never before has anyone accomplished to make me want to throw a whole library in its entirety at them, including the building. Good job.

[–] TeamAssimilation@infosec.pub 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

My town library was ridiculously small. Not everyone has the same opportunities.

But we do used books anyway, they were usually the encyclopedia, the dictionary, and text books.

[–] Beacon@fedia.io 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This tip probably isn't useful to you today, but in many library systems you can request a book at your local library and they will deliver it to you from some other branch that has a copy of it

[–] TeamAssimilation@infosec.pub 1 points 11 months ago

I think my small public library was donation-based. Very few interesting books there, and no way to browse for and request specific books. Maybe university libraries did that.

[–] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 months ago

Glad to be of service!

[–] PancakesCantKillMe@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Back in the very early 90’s I had a salesman from Britannica show up on my doorstep. I was amenable and ended up buying a set of encyclopedias. I loved them partially because I love books, but I also loved that I had all this information at the ready even if frozen in the time when they were printed.

Now we have the internet and it’s nice and all, but I wish I still had those books.

[–] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The Britannica was one of those essential things for every home. It was like having a home computer. It contained as complete a collection of human knowledge that was possible without a full-blown library.

I remember in the 90s looking through them trying to answer a random question I had and then later on going to the library to check out more research material if the Brittanica didn't satisfy my curiosity.

As great as the internet is, I miss running a finger across the tomes to learn something new about the world.

[–] leadore@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

We had a set of encyclopedias at home when I was a kid and also one called Childcraft that was written for kids. They were great. I spent a lot of time browsing and reading them.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I feel like every house I was in had a set of encyclopedias, and a copy of "The Way Things Work". I'm kinda ashamed I have neither in my house today.

[–] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This thread is making me want to buy an encyclopedia set.

Just checked, $1,500-2,000 for the Encyclopedia Brittanica, no longer in print. Most recent edition is from 2010...

I guess I'll just put wikipedia on an e-reader...

[–] Beacon@fedia.io 1 points 11 months ago

Your local library is free, and i would guess they have paper encyclopedias

[–] jbone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 11 months ago

Not quiet an encyclopedia, but as a child I really liked The Top 10 of Everything books.

This was late the late 90s, we had dial-up, but internet was still in its infancy.

I definitely had the 1999 and 1998 editions:

Microsoft Encarta was also mind-blowing for its time, especially if your were a child in the late 90s and early 2000s.

[–] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago

I grew up in a household with the Encyclopedia Britannica (and some kind of a German version of it) and at some point I and my father would look who's faster, me on my smartphone or he with his books. For newer tropics, he didn't stand a chance.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

IIRC, they no longer print it, but you can probably buy used collections.

kagis

Yeah. The final print edition was 2010:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Britannica

The Encyclopædia Britannica (Latin for 'British Encyclopaedia') is a general-knowledge English-language encyclopaedia. It has been published by Encyclopædia Britannica, Inc. since 1768, although the company has changed ownership seven times. The 2010 version of the 15th edition, which spans 32 volumes[1] and 32,640 pages, was the last printed edition. Since 2016, it has been published exclusively as an online encyclopaedia at the website Britannica.com

Printed for 244 years, the Britannica was the longest-running in-print encyclopaedia in the English language. It was first published between 1768 and 1771 in Edinburgh, Scotland, in three volumes.

Copyright (well, under US law, and I assume elsewhere) also doesn't restrict actually making copies, but distributing those copies. If you want to print out a hard copy of the entire Encyclopedia Britannica website for your own use in the event of Armageddon, I imagine that there's probably software that will let you do that.

[–] PancakesCantKillMe@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Thanks, I do recall when they announced the last printing. Book collections can get cumbersome things to haul around in our lives and I have many already. If I ran across a more current set maybe I’d bite, but I won’t chase them down. I did already acquire the set of Great Books (classic literature and philosophy collection) that my father bought and dragged around. I’ve read some of the authors, but if I’m being honest I’d admit the 54 volumes are now mostly decorative in function and do look nice up on the shelf. I won’t get rid of them as I see their value, but that also means I have the opportunity to move them…again.