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I still chose to blame the republicans.
No one ever just blames them directly in these conversations. It's always "blame the protest non-voters" or "blame the leftists" or whatever.
Just go directly to blaming the people who gleefully voted for it. Everything else is just infighting and stupid.
I mean I blame all 3 equally.
Trump Supporters: Straight anti-American scum. Enemies of democracy. Couldn't give a flying fuck about our Constitution.
Non-Voters: Scum who couldn't be bothered to fulfill their civic duty by respecting the fact that they live in a democracy, which they clearly do not respect.
3rd Party Voters: Scum who couldn't rub some brain cells together to realize there were ZERO paths to the presidency for any 3rd party, but did it for funsies anyway, providing a more realistic path to the presidency for Republican traitor scum.
They're all stupid. They're all at fault.
No it's not. There is a huge difference.
Republicans wanted this so they voted for it. You don't have to tell them this lol they are thrilled. Of course we blame them. That shit is all over the internet all the time, but a scorpion is a scorpion. Its in its nature, you cant change their whole ideology.
The group he is criticizing claimed to have been protest-non-voting because of harm done to specific groups. Mainly Palestinians. This is the group who should have empathy for human beings, who's motive should align with the other Democratic voters.
We told them REPTEADLY. LOUDLY. CLEARLY. that what they were doing would result in worse violence FOR PALESTINIANS and MORE marginalized groups like TRANS PEOPLE and IMMIGRANTS. And what happened? Exactly what we told them would happen. So everyone who fucking claimed to have been doing what they were doing to protest needs to see this. They need to be held accountable. WHAT PRIVILEGE IT IS to be able to protest and go back to your life without worrying about ICE or Israel or transphobes or Russians coming and killing you.
WE TRIED TO GET THEM TO HELP PROTECT THESE GROUPS AND THEY REFUSED KNOWING FULL WELL WHAT WAS COMING. THE GOP PUBLISHED THE MANUAL BEFORE THE ELECTION.
Every time someone says "I told you so" it comes with a justified rage and I won't fuckin hear someone telling them to stop bringing it up. Fuck that.
I hope this sticks with them and the guilt haunts whatever conscience they have for the rest of their life. It's not comparable to what they allowed to happen. It doesn't even register on the scale next to this. They were the ones who actually could've stopped this.
I like how you pointed out that they were told exactly what would happen if they didn't vote or voted 3rd party, and that was the opposite of what they claim they wanted, then you point out that that's exactly what happened, as they were told it would, and yet people are still downvoting you.
Lot of dummies out there. Guess Lemmy isn't an exception.
Right they don't like it because I'm not being cordial about it all, but people are dying because of this.
There are so many examples. All the people who just died in that Texas flood could have had a chance if Trump didn't fire a ton of people from the national weather service. There's literally a vacancy for someone who would have been able to spread the warnings that came out overnight prior to the flood.
Sorry if it hurts feelings. But someone has to hold these people's feet to the fire. Them acting like they're better than maga voters when they helped Donald Trump into the office is ridiculous.
Every time I have this discussion the people that I'm arguing with believe that I am a regular Democrat or a liberal or something. It's always funny cuz they think they're arguing against somebody who ideologically believes differently from them. But I don't, I have the same beliefs as them.
It doesn't even matter if I tell them Palestinian American politicians we're voting for Kamala.
They still tell me I'm wrong. The ego can't face the fact that maybe they did something wrong. I know this because I voted 3rd party in 2016 over the Bernie scandal during the primary. I was them. I did this before and this time it's so much worse.
Don't you see that the uncommitted movement has the exact same argument?
They told you repeatedly, over and over, clearly, for over a year, that running a Democratic candidate who supports the ongoing genocide will drastically reduce turnout in the Democrat base.
The voting results show that they were right.
You can try to self-soothe by saying "I told you so", yet they can do the exact same thing. This accomplishes nothing except further factionalization of the Democrat vote.
Your focus on infighting is misplaced at a time when we need to be building coalition to fight Trump and fascism.
"Waaaaaaaaaaah. We're sending agreed upon arms shipments to our most important ally in the Middle East that we really don't want to lose as an ally. We're not going to vote or waste our vote on a 3rd party if that continues to show we're protesting that."
"Oops, now my country is a fascist state with a newly minted Gestapo and a tanking economy, repeated violations of the Constitution, a mad king, and our rights are being infringed upon. HEY, DON'T BLAME ME. I was just fighting corruption in the dumbest possible way!!!"
"Hey guys, I know these dipshits just caused Trump and fascism to happen in the first place, but let's hold hands with them anyway and hope their innate stupidity doesn't hurt us more going forward."
No they don't have the same argument. Biden was changed out for Kamala and that still wasn't good enough. She has a better voting record than Bernie in the Senate.
Moreover, we have data on Kamala and trump in the Whitehouse. No one can say they didn't know it would be like this.
When push comes to shove you don't vote for someone who pushes through a 168 billion dollar gestappo budget. It's not the same fucking thing. You vote for someone who responds to criticism not revels in the chaos and cruelty. Jesus Christ you people are insane.
ID RATHER KILL PEOPLE THAN COMPROMISE
fucking moron
Not me, I'm a Bernie camp voter, zohran fan, etc. I just have a soul. Conceding to the Democrats to keep the worst president we've ever had out of office for a 2nd term is an easy choice.
Yeah, the point isnt about who they selected it's about who YOU VOTED FOR.
No they can't, see above.
No one who was willing to "protest" during this election is actually a good person. They can just put their red hats on. They are playing for the selfish team so put on the uniform.
That's fucking rich considering we just had a FUCKING ELECTION WHERE WE COULDVE DONE EXACTLY THAT
Biden was changed out for Kamala and that wasn't good enough for a portion of the Democratic Party electorate because both candidates support the Israeli genocide. If you were paying attention before the election this should come as no surprise.
Your strawman arguments and insults do not change the ground reality. Your argument is the same as theirs: "if my political opponents would have acted differently then fascism wouldn't have taken over." This is a childish way to look at politics; political factions and voters have never behaved this way.
Your impotant rage does not align with the fact that, even if all third party voters went for Kamala, she still would have lost.
Man, the world must be pretty black and white for you. Which must be pretty easy to achieve when you completely ignore the complexities of international relations.
When one side maintains an important allegiance but still openly states they are not fine with what their ally is doing, floats arms shipment cancellations, and helps try to broker a peace deal, that is very different from the other side openly stating they support that ally's aggression and even float building a resort once that ally has eradicated their opposition.
Anyone with an adult brain inside their skull would look at the situation and pick the option that's less destructive to the people they claim to care about. To ensure those people are as protected as they have the power to make them.
But we're not talking about people with adult brains inside their skulls.
Please point out the straw man lmao
If your parents picked the restaurant you're going to eat at as a kid all you can do is pick the meal.
Yeah that's true, and either one of them would've responded better to protests, criticisms, and pressure better than Trump had they been elected. Lol
It's not surprising, it's heartbreaking that American voters chose more death rather than less death.
That is reductive and not true. False equivalency throughout your statement. My argument is distinct from theirs. Your are choosing to ignore all the reasons why it's different that I have already explained. If you truly believe they are the same and not arguing in bad faith here then you don't have a grasp of logic.
The rage is because voters don't do what they should do. Everyone who isn't a Nazi should've been adult enough to put their bullshit aside and stop 47 from happening and then go back to fighting to push us further left....but they wouldn't do it. And it's inexcusable.
Muslim leaders in Arizona told their voter bases to vote Kamala.
Ruwa Romman even called people out who were trying to say the same shit I'm seeing in here virtue signalers. She's a palestinian democrat in Georgia who was subbed by the DNC.
Debatable.
She lost key swing states by thin margins. 300,000 votes in the right places and the election flips.
you have to count non voters as well as 3rd party protest voters. That number is unknowable with any certainty. What is knowable is that there were taken away from her by people who claim to care but actually chose violence.
20 million registered voters didn't vote.
And if 1.5% of them had voted it could have flipped the election. 1 person out of 67 non voters stepping up could've flipped it in the best case scenario.
Bingo!
The democrats didn’t give anything worth voting for. I’ll never vote for genocide. It’s literally a systemic issue. Don’t punch left, punch right.
I can see how stupid, ignorant people could think this.
Anyone not stupid and ignorant knew multiple things.
Democrats are better for our economy. That's not debatable. That's fact.
Democrats don't strip our rights. That's also not debatable. Also fact.
Democrats regularly vote in favor of the middle/lower classes. Again, not debatable. Fact, as well.
Democrats didn't run on a platform of hate and fascism.
Now, I don't know how stupid people brains work firsthand, but from where I'm standing, those are all things worth voting for, particularly when the other side are MOTHERFUCKING NAZIS.
You literally did vote for this if you abstained from this past election. How about you help punch right instead of being a fucking pussy.
You're fucking dispicable and selfish. Worse than a red voter because you claim to care about other people. Fuck you. Virtue signaling garbage.
how's that vote working out for you? able to sleep at night warm in your convictions while children are slaughtered in Israel?
did you even make a difference?
https://lemmy.world/comment/17277519
The problem is, you know what the Republicans will do. Not voting is cutting your nose off to spite your face.
I am informing the protest-non-voters what they voted for.
I blame both.
I blame anyone who willingly stopped the bleeding of the wound. be it by their own stupidity or negligence, you are responsible for what is yet to come.
every single one of you will get what's coming to you. fascism doesn't see borders or people. fascism is blind, and only follows strength in power. pray to your "god" and beg forgiveness all you want, it will do nothing for the hurt you have brought upon yourself.
I sleep easy knowing I voted for Kamala...and when the time comes I'll die for my cause. I ain't backing down to anything or anyone.