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Don't you see that the uncommitted movement has the exact same argument?
They told you repeatedly, over and over, clearly, for over a year, that running a Democratic candidate who supports the ongoing genocide will drastically reduce turnout in the Democrat base.
The voting results show that they were right.
You can try to self-soothe by saying "I told you so", yet they can do the exact same thing. This accomplishes nothing except further factionalization of the Democrat vote.
Your focus on infighting is misplaced at a time when we need to be building coalition to fight Trump and fascism.
"Waaaaaaaaaaah. We're sending agreed upon arms shipments to our most important ally in the Middle East that we really don't want to lose as an ally. We're not going to vote or waste our vote on a 3rd party if that continues to show we're protesting that."
"Oops, now my country is a fascist state with a newly minted Gestapo and a tanking economy, repeated violations of the Constitution, a mad king, and our rights are being infringed upon. HEY, DON'T BLAME ME. I was just fighting corruption in the dumbest possible way!!!"
"Hey guys, I know these dipshits just caused Trump and fascism to happen in the first place, but let's hold hands with them anyway and hope their innate stupidity doesn't hurt us more going forward."
No they don't have the same argument. Biden was changed out for Kamala and that still wasn't good enough. She has a better voting record than Bernie in the Senate.
Moreover, we have data on Kamala and trump in the Whitehouse. No one can say they didn't know it would be like this.
When push comes to shove you don't vote for someone who pushes through a 168 billion dollar gestappo budget. It's not the same fucking thing. You vote for someone who responds to criticism not revels in the chaos and cruelty. Jesus Christ you people are insane.
ID RATHER KILL PEOPLE THAN COMPROMISE
fucking moron
Not me, I'm a Bernie camp voter, zohran fan, etc. I just have a soul. Conceding to the Democrats to keep the worst president we've ever had out of office for a 2nd term is an easy choice.
Yeah, the point isnt about who they selected it's about who YOU VOTED FOR.
No they can't, see above.
No one who was willing to "protest" during this election is actually a good person. They can just put their red hats on. They are playing for the selfish team so put on the uniform.
That's fucking rich considering we just had a FUCKING ELECTION WHERE WE COULDVE DONE EXACTLY THAT
Biden was changed out for Kamala and that wasn't good enough for a portion of the Democratic Party electorate because both candidates support the Israeli genocide. If you were paying attention before the election this should come as no surprise.
Your strawman arguments and insults do not change the ground reality. Your argument is the same as theirs: "if my political opponents would have acted differently then fascism wouldn't have taken over." This is a childish way to look at politics; political factions and voters have never behaved this way.
Your impotant rage does not align with the fact that, even if all third party voters went for Kamala, she still would have lost.
Man, the world must be pretty black and white for you. Which must be pretty easy to achieve when you completely ignore the complexities of international relations.
When one side maintains an important allegiance but still openly states they are not fine with what their ally is doing, floats arms shipment cancellations, and helps try to broker a peace deal, that is very different from the other side openly stating they support that ally's aggression and even float building a resort once that ally has eradicated their opposition.
Anyone with an adult brain inside their skull would look at the situation and pick the option that's less destructive to the people they claim to care about. To ensure those people are as protected as they have the power to make them.
But we're not talking about people with adult brains inside their skulls.
Please point out the straw man lmao
If your parents picked the restaurant you're going to eat at as a kid all you can do is pick the meal.
Yeah that's true, and either one of them would've responded better to protests, criticisms, and pressure better than Trump had they been elected. Lol
It's not surprising, it's heartbreaking that American voters chose more death rather than less death.
That is reductive and not true. False equivalency throughout your statement. My argument is distinct from theirs. Your are choosing to ignore all the reasons why it's different that I have already explained. If you truly believe they are the same and not arguing in bad faith here then you don't have a grasp of logic.
The rage is because voters don't do what they should do. Everyone who isn't a Nazi should've been adult enough to put their bullshit aside and stop 47 from happening and then go back to fighting to push us further left....but they wouldn't do it. And it's inexcusable.
Muslim leaders in Arizona told their voter bases to vote Kamala.
Ruwa Romman even called people out who were trying to say the same shit I'm seeing in here virtue signalers. She's a palestinian democrat in Georgia who was subbed by the DNC.
Debatable.
She lost key swing states by thin margins. 300,000 votes in the right places and the election flips.
you have to count non voters as well as 3rd party protest voters. That number is unknowable with any certainty. What is knowable is that there were taken away from her by people who claim to care but actually chose violence.
20 million registered voters didn't vote.
And if 1.5% of them had voted it could have flipped the election. 1 person out of 67 non voters stepping up could've flipped it in the best case scenario.
Bingo!