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When lunatics start talking about expelling all Israelis 'Back to Europe' instead of integrating them in a one-state solution
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this post was submitted on 06 Jul 2025
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Israel is allowed to literally cause a holocaust on the Palestinian people for the last 70+ years, backed by seemingly the majority of the political landscape and the population. Israelis chanting death to entire ethnicities but nooooo we can't say anything that might hurt their poor lil feelings. Bunch of bollocks. You lot are a bunch of clowns that are entirely too comfortable with the deaths of brown people.
fuck zionists, but they aren't evil because they are Jewish, they are evil because their are zionists.
that's like saying fuck white people because there majority of Israelis are white.
and so many loud antizionist voices are Jewish.
if you conflate the two (what Israel wants) you just feed into the Israeli narrative that we all hate the jews and they can only be safe in apartheid genocidal Israel.
which is BS.
Either you don't know what happened during the Holocaust, or you don't know what happens to Palestinians. These are in not the same, very far from it.
This is Holocaust relativism, bordering on denial.
That said. Palestinians are oppressed and deserve better. Your antisemitic incitement does not help them.
Interesting, what term would you use to describe what has been happening in Palestine and specifically since the last 21 months?
This war was triggered by a horrific and unprecedented attack on Israeli civilians on October 7th. A very destructive war in a dense urban setting against an extremely deeply entrenched fanatic enemy hiding among civilians.
There have also been war crimes and possibly crimes against humanity.
If you compare the physical destruction of buildings with the number of killed Palestinians, it becomes pretty obvious that killing the people is not a priority war goal.
There is pretty horrific rhetoric during war times, which has enabled war crimes.
Any other government would have surrendered long ago. Hamas refuses to do so, despite the immense military superiority of the IDF, regardless of the destruction and loss of life it costs.
Your nonsense reply tells me everything I need to know. Thanks for playing.
Palestine's population has increased every single one of those 70+ years including the years after the October 7 attacks.
And? What's your point? Does that make killing of innocents in a stolen land justified? Are you brain damaged?
The point is that it isn't a Holocaust and that such a lose use of the word is dangerous
Oh sorry, I forgot. Such serious terms can only be used when white people are in danger. Silly me.
Nobody takes you seriously when you max out on the hyperbole.
And now you're just wildly accusing people of racism for pointing out facts. What is it you're hoping to accomplish by this?
Interesting, what term would you use for what's been happening in Palestine?
Smokescreen for their support of genociding Israelis.
You fucking sound like an Uyghur genocide apologist ghoul.
I'm definitely not. Israel isn't sterilizing hundreds of thousands of Palestinians like we see happening to the Uyghurs.
Actually, technically, officially
“Israel” (declared may 1948) existed before “Palestine” (declared 1988).
The Jews and the Arabs have both been there for millennia, and the land has been contested since the dawn of recorded history.
It was originally called Canaan in the late Bronze Age (1500 - 1200 BCE).
Then in the Iron Age it was called Judea.
Then the Romans conquered the land and called it Syria Palestina (the land of Syrian “Phillistines”, aka uncultured/uncivilized people.)
Later that evolved into Palestine, which wasn’t codified until 1988, 40 years after the formation of Israel.
Both peoples have been there for millennia, both peoples have been committing atrocities on one another, and both peoples have a legitimate claim to the land.
This isn’t a simple black and white issue with good guys and bad guys. Claiming Israel is the bad guys because they’re the current aggressors, is like walking in on a fight and accusing the one who’s currently winning of being the whole reason for the fight in the first place.
You have to know the whole story, unbiased, looking from both sides, to understand a current conflict.
These lands and these people’s need outside arbitration.
They’re incapable of coming to a peaceful solution on their own. They’re too proud and they both feel too entitled and righteous.
One of them is currently more monied and has more support from imperialist governments, but they’ve both done horrible things to one another and ended millions of eachothers lives over millennia.
Israel is trying to put an end to it forever in the most effective way they can think of.
Violence.
It’s not fair.
If you study history, you will see not much about us is fair.
In recent times we have become abnormally civilized, but only just barely.
Are you not aware that Iran supports Hamas? Are you pretending October 7 didn't happen?
I think you're being very selective in your reading of history.
Iran is trying to put an end to Israel through violence and colonialism. They support violent oppressive factions throughout the middle east.
There have been land for peace deals negotiated in the past, there's a willingness in Israel to make peace. But Iran gives support to violent factions like Hamas. Hamas has oppressively ruled over Gaza for over a decade and a half with the support of Iran.
Iran also supports the violent Houthi faction in Yemen which rules over a large part of that country (including the capital). The civil war there has been over 300,000 dead. They supported Assad's regime a brutally oppressive faction that took a civil war with over half a million dead before he was ousted from power.
How many people need to die in this insane theocratic authoritarian regime's goal to wipe Israel off the map before you'll consider the possibility that they might be a problem?
I’m aware of all of that.
The Arab-Israeli civil war of 1948 (Arabs call it the Nakba) actually started because of the first rejection by the Arabs of a peaceful two state partition.
In the Palestinian mind, right from the start of the Balfour Declaration in 1917, the British and the European Jews were seen as an invading force, and the formation of Israel was seen as the entrenchment of that invading force.
Prior to the Balfour Declaration and British backed migration of the European Jews, the Arabs outnumbered the Jews 10 to 1 in that region, and it was unofficially considered to be their lands. They saw the mass migration as an invasion and a threat to their sovereignty and culture, as peoples generally do.
Today only 44% of people living within the territory of Palestine are Arabs, and 52% are Jews.
Based on these numbers it would seem they were right to be afraid.
I think that pre-Israeli zionists literally used the slogan of "Arabs out!" might have contributed to early 20th century suspicions that zionism was a fundamentally invading and colonial ideology. But that's just me.
The issue is that the genocide has been going on longer than Iran and Israel have been enemies. And even if it wasn't older, Iran supporting shitty factions (which, funny enough, are also supported by Israel - Hamas being a Mossad catspaw from the start) does not justify Israeli genocide of Palestinians.
"I just want to advocate for genocide! What's the harm in that, other than some hurt feelings!?"
Okay, Zionist.
Hmm that's a dumb reply. Please try better.
Man, you're the one complaining that it's not acceptable to advocate for genociding people of the wrong ethnicity because Israel did it first. Not really sure I'd trust the opinion of someone who wants to imitate Israel on what's dumb or not.
Please show me where I have advocated for genocide of anyone or are you simply projecting here?
Also what do you mean with "the wrong ethnicity"?
I don't want any innocent people to be harmed, no matter what religion or ethnicity. I do however think that the Palestinians at least deserve their land back that was stolen from them through relentless murder. Equally, hold those responsible accountable.
There are countless Jewish people around the world that are against the zionists murderous state of Israel. Are they also wrong?
He likes to equate decolonization to genocide, to him they are the same thing.
"Decolonization is when you ethnically cleanse civilians for being born the wrong ethnicity. It's DEFINITELY different from genocide!"
Literal Nazi shit. If you were raised in Israel, you'd be an enthusiastic Zionist murdering Palestinians right now.
Lol, you are ridiculously hyperbolic and purposely conflating terms to the point where they don't mean anything.
Once again you are ignoring the fact that Israel is the one who is dictating policy based on ethnicity. Meaning that it is they who makes it impossible to delineate the ethno from the state.
Would it be better if people just said Israeli nationals? Would it be ethnic cleansing if someone claimed Americans should be kicked out of tribal lands?
Projecting much? You're the one defending colonialism.....
Christ. Imagine thinking you're an enemy of Israel while eagerly swallowing literal Israeli propaganda meant to conflate the Israeli state with those it claims to represent, and then using that to advocate genocide and come off as a lunatic antisemite. And then being proud of what a catspaw you are for Mossad. Crazy what people will do and claim as a victory.
No, that's literally the position that I'm criticizing, genius.
If they defined 'tribal lands' as 'all of America'?
Uh, yes.
I'm defending colonialism because... I don't believe genocide is the solution?
lmao
Have fun wearing a swastika armband at Israel's behest. Those of us who aren't useful idiots and literal genocide supporters have more moral things to do, like not imitating Zionists and Nazis.
Israel is an ethno-state........it is the inherent flaw of ethno-states, there is no propaganda needed. Which is why ethno-states are bad.
Again, you are the only person claiming anyone wants to genocide Israel.
I don't think you understand what an ethno-state is.....
American is not an ethnicity.....
Again..... Decolonization is not genocide. That is an argument made pretty much solely by colonialist. You're basically regurgitating Elon musk.
Lol, you've been defending Zionist the whole time.... Please tell me, when Israel occupies Gaza and Palestinian ask them to leave....is that going to be ethnic cleansing? Or is it only ethnic cleansing if they occupy it for a generation?
You literally are advocating for ethnic cleansing, in this comment chain. You just think that because it's Good Ethnic Cleansing(tm), that makes it okay.
Sorry for not being a Zionist like you, lmao.
Lord
"It's not genocide if I say the magic words before doing it!"
It's like the 1990s all over again, but somehow even stupider.
Lol, I haven't..... You're just being disingenuous as always. Or your mental illness is warping your perception. If you read the first comment I made I said it wasn't my belief but I understand why Palestinians would want Israelis to migrate back to Europe. You know considering that they are currently colonizing Palestine via genocide.
You haven't once asked about my personal opinion, you've just been asserting what you want my opinion to be because you'd rather argue with your preferred strawman.
FYI- if it were up to me I would prefer there to be no genocide, and for the Israeli government to give back the illegally seized land back to the original agreed upon borders. However, I recognize that it's not my people who are suffering from apartheid and genocide, and that those people have their own autonomy and will seek their own retribution.
Lol, what a fantastic rebuttal.....
There is a difference between nationality and ethnicity. Otherwise every war in history would be considered an ethnic cleansing, which is just not true.
"It's a genocide because I declared it so". Fucking moron.
You're complaining that I'm objecting to people who are advocating for literal genocide against Israel under the justification that advocating racist genocide is just 'hurting Israeli feelings' and thus harmless and should be asspatted instead. That's literally your comment I responded to, genius.
No. In the fucking title I even allude to a one-state solution, which would be to the horror of most fervent Israel supporters. Sorry that I think that genocide isn't a Final Solution to the problem of Israel??