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[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

"No true leftist is antisemitic."

(Presents several clear counterexamples)

"Well, that's the exception. They are not true leftists!"

[–] Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If the argument that being antisemitic precludes you from being a leftist, that's not a fallacy. If you don't abide by a set of beliefs, then you are not a follower of those beliefs.

I'm not a Scotsman because I'm not from Scotland.

Similarly, I don't think most libertarians are true libertarians because they don't care about liberties except their own. And if that's the definition of libertarian, then everyone is a libertarian.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

The mortal enemy of the true scotsman argument: words mean things.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

"No true leftist is antisemitic."

A strawman inventing a no true Scotsman? That's impressively fallacious 😄

I didn't and indeed have never claimed that there aren't any antisemites on the Left. Unfortunately, a lot of people on the Left are starting from the point of "the country (incorrectly) claiming to be representative of all Jewdom has been committing unspeakable atrocities for a century" and being misled from there down rabbit holes that sometimes go all the way to ACTUALLY antisemitic conspiracy theory nonsense.

That being said, those people are a tiny minority, and your two examples from the days of disco and earlier don't prove otherwise.