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Ooooooo, damn! Homie in here looking to fight! Absolutely brilliant unpopular opinion; simple, direct, and easy to discuss.
Aight, I gotta say up front that I am picky about strawberries in general, and it is rare for preserves or jams (I've never had a strawberry jelly, but I'm not that kind of asshole to insist that a pb&j can only use jelly) to meet my standards.
I disagree with strawberry anything being better than grape jams or jellies on two standards. First is that food preferences are always subjective, and thus we can only rarely say anything other than "better for me"
The second is essentially subjective as well, as it goes to those preferences that I have.
A pb&j is on my list of perfect sandwiches (again, for me, but I think it would fit such a description in general) because it provides a balance of sweet, savory, salty, acidic and allows nigh infinite variety with fruit flavors. You can have one and need nothing else to satisfy one's palate.
I think where grape is better than strawberry for those that prefer it is the nature of grape. It is a fairly strong flavor, but also usually simpler in jelly or jam form. The processing of grapes in that way means the potential complexity of flavor grapes can have is subdued. As such, it delivers the balance to the peanut butter in a very accessible way. Remember, we often encounter pb&j sandwiches first in our youth when we haven't developed our palate as much, and often can't appreciate more subtle flavours or more complex ones.
Strawberry jams and preserves are almost always more complex in flavor than grape versions (though I'd argue that a good homemade muscadine jelly belies that). They're also a tad more acidic, and strawberry flavor as it differs from other fruits is bolder as well. So it often stands over the peanut butter, even to the degree of smothering at times.
I believe that's why, ignoring personal preferences, grape became the default and is "better" than strawberry as a default. I might also argue that apple jelly is better than grape as a default for the same reasons; the varieties of apple used combined with the jelly making process make it an incredible pb&j candidate.
I put way too much thought into sandwich theory. I admit that with joy in my heart lol.
But I have tried essentially every kind of jam and jelly that I've run into over the years on a pb&j, as well as adjacent options like apple butter. I maintain that the holy trinity of apple, grape and strawberry should be default. If you open a sandwich stand, one of those three should be what you serve if someone asks for a pb&j without specifying a flavor.
While I prefer apple as my personal default, I think that the hypothetical sandwich shop should likely default to grape as it is the assumption most people make when they ask for one, but I wouldn't be mad at any of them as default.
Now, because I'm picky, strawberry is my third or fourth choice when I'm wanting one. Apple or grape is going to be what I reach for 80% of the time. Damson plum is roughly tied with strawberry for me, and I can never decide which I prefer.
What is straight out is any fruit like blackberry that has the seeds still in the jam or preserves (by definition, seeds can't be present in jellies). It just isn't pleasant to run into those hard bits (as opposed to something crunchy like crunchy pb, or some nice potato chips layered into the sandwich, though that's not a pure pb&j), so they can fuck right off.
I am otherwise very open to fruits in that regard. Even oddball things like pepper jelly, or watermelon rind preserves are worthy on rare occasions. Watermelon rind preserves, btw, are exactly what you might think. The peeled and cut rind of a watermelon preserved by a combination of citrus (lemon), sugar, and heat. Pectin may be added to adjust the thickness as preferred. It is amazeballs, and can go with damn near anything that can handle the sweetness. If you've never had it, find an old southern granny or gramps and die happy after they share a jar with you.
Even things that don't do well as preserves or jams can be given honorary place on a pb&j sandwich. Bruléed banana as an example. Little pinch of cinnamon, a sprinkle of sugar, bake for maybe ten minutes then brule to caramel. Lay that on the waiting pb&bread, then die happy. It isn't a proper pb&J, but it's a spiritual cousin to it.
Great post! Thank you for all that effort
I’ve had pickled watermelon rind before 👌.
I might have to keep some rind next time I have watermelon to make preserves.
The pickled and preserved are like two glorious sides of a coin.
And they go great together.
I love your detailed take on this! You sound like a pb&J connoisseur and I am honored to have received some of your wisdom. I know a nice local place where I can get some locally-made apple butter, so I know what I'll be trying next.
Oh man! Those small producers almost always knock it out of the park.