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[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 11 hours ago (5 children)

I dug through my comment history to find this. It has plenty of links.

I read it. Democrats will keep playing the left for fools and moving to the right, no matter what happens.

No Bernie's campaign and Warren's campaign drove Biden to the left on a whole host of issues, including labor unions.

There was no daylight between her and Biden on Netanyahu’s genocide.

Don't lie.

This comment said it best and lists calls for a ceasefire from Harris.

https://lemmy.world/comment/13069715

She’s taken a stance, multiple times. The left doesn’t want to hear it.

March - https://www.npr.org/2024/03/04/1234822836/kamala-harris-benny-gantz-gaza-cease-fire-israel-hamas

July - https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/25/harris-netanyahu-israel-cease-fire-00171315

September - https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/harris-trump-presidential-debate-election-2024/card/harris-calls-for-ceasefire-in-gaza-while-trump-claims-she-hates-israel--isokhfqmy6EgRGrUOSuK

Harris promised to do everything in her power to end the war in Gaza.

“This year has been difficult, given the scale of death and destruction in Gaza and given the civilian casualties and displacement in Lebanon, it is devastating. And as president, I will do everything in my power to end the war in Gaza, to bring home the hostages, end the suffering in Gaza, ensure Israel is secure, and ensure the Palestinian people can realise their right to dignity, freedom, security and self-determination,” Harris said to applause during a rally in East Lansing city of Michigan, home to 200,000 Arab Americans.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/11/4/harris-says-will-end-gaza-war-in-final-election-appeal-to-arab-americans

Unlike Biden, Harris was not a life long Zionist.

When Joe Biden met with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his war cabinet during his visit to Israel, the U.S. president assured them: “I don’t believe you have to be a Jew to be a Zionist, and I am a Zionist.”

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/i-am-zionist-how-joe-bidens-lifelong-bond-with-israel-shapes-war-policy-2023-10-21/

Harris wasn't perfect. And that was simply not good enough for some people who didn't want to risk their hands getting dirty. Even if it meant the Palestinians becoming the cost of doing business.

I voted for Harris and the election is over. That doesn’t mean I’m going to pretend that she wasn’t as committed to Netanyahu’s genocide as Biden was.

Good for you. I appreciate it. No need to spread propaganda though.

[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

Saying that Israel has a right to exist is Zionist.

[–] fkncowardz@lemmings.world -1 points 5 hours ago

Ah yeah you guys should have voted for genocider-lite. To save the genocidees.

Damn Arabs they never know what's good for them. Now enjoy the bombing idiots /s

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 hours ago

There was no daylight between her and Biden on Netanyahu’s genocide.

Don't lie.

You may have missed the "No daylight, kid." thing it seems.

[–] ATS1312@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 8 hours ago

Thank you for the well reasoned response.

Here is my Issue:

When the Harris campaign did nothing to add teeth to the promise of a ceasefire (such as cutting off the weapons for the genocide would have done)? It comes off as just another empty gesture.

"Ben, stop the fighting! I mean it! we really need this to stop! I mean it!"

Only in the final final week before the election did I find any hope of cutting off weapons shipments. I had to dig, I had to scrounge, I had to be plugged in all day, every day, and trust political tabloids to maybe have it right this time, even as they referenced hints and leaked memos that the reader just had to trust existed.

Evidence was sparse, hard to find, and hard to trust.

Meanwhile, the sale of Palestinian Land https://wagingnonviolence.org/2025/01/activists-infiltrate-israeli-events-selling-palestinian-land-in-us/ Continues unabated. We see the incentive even beyond the "manifest destiny" style ideology, we see material gain for Israel to continue as long as ammo will last.

And rather than break from Joe, she wanted to be seen as AIPAC as honoring his commitments. She had a long history of supporting Israel. Publicly. Loudly. Even as that foreign-state's lobby backed people far to her right in both parties. https://theintercept.com/2024/10/24/aipac-spending-congress-elections-israel/

This information was widely available. Easily accessible. Why would I trust someone who wants AIPAC campaign money to share my values when I don't even see her articulating them in any meaningful way?