this post was submitted on 20 Jun 2025
162 points (94.0% liked)

News

36419 readers
1943 users here now

Welcome to the News community!

Rules:

1. Be civil


Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.


2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.


Obvious biased sources will be removed at the mods’ discretion. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted separately but not to the post body. Sources may be checked for reliability using Wikipedia, MBFC, AdFontes, GroundNews, etc.


3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.


Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.


4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source. Clickbait titles may be removed.


Posts which titles don’t match the source may be removed. If the site changed their headline, we may ask you to update the post title. Clickbait titles use hyperbolic language and do not accurately describe the article content. When necessary, post titles may be edited, clearly marked with [brackets], but may never be used to editorialize or comment on the content.


5. Only recent news is allowed.


Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.


6. All posts must be news articles.


No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials, videos, blogs, press releases, or celebrity gossip will be allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis. Mods may use discretion to pre-approve videos or press releases from highly credible sources that provide unique, newsworthy content not available or possible in another format.


7. No duplicate posts.


If an article has already been posted, it will be removed. Different articles reporting on the same subject are permitted. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.


8. Misinformation is prohibited.


Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.


9. No link shorteners or news aggregators.


All posts must link to original article sources. You may include archival links in the post description. News aggregators such as Yahoo, Google, Hacker News, etc. should be avoided in favor of the original source link. Newswire services such as AP, Reuters, or AFP, are frequently republished and may be shared from other credible sources.


10. Don't copy entire article in your post body


For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] radiohead37@lemmynsfw.com 22 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] cecilkorik@piefed.ca 26 points 8 months ago (1 children)

There are a very significant number of shitty, entrenched, high-ranking members of the Democratic Party both in government and throughout the organization itself at the federal and all lower levels who are absolutely in on this. They're providing a false opposition, appearing to oppose what's happening intentionally without opposing anything at all. They sabotage and undermine any attempt at resistance or true opposition. They refuse to make an issue of anything that might gain significant traction. They are quiet when they should be loud, and loud when they should be quiet, and this is not an accident, it is a misdirection and a form of self-sabotage.

Remember when they rug-pulled Bernie who was winning the primaries? This is not a new or sudden phenomenon, either. They've been working towards this for awhile, and billionaires and corruption have infiltrated both parties maybe not to the same extents but these parties are not your fucking friends. Thinking there's "one good party" vs "one bad party" is exactly how they want you to think and keeps you locked in that two-party system where both parties are corrupt, "I voted for Kodos" is not a useful choice. The reality is there are very bad people in both parties actively working against the working class real humans just trying to live our own damn lives without getting completely fucked by the economy, the police, healthcare, laws, taxes, social supports or any of the other things they manipulate to make our lives difficult and keep us line. This is class war and the Dems, largely, aren't going to save you. Some of them are great. You'll notice none of the "great" ones actually have control over anything, and there's a reason for that. AOC and Bernie are a threat to the Democratic establishment, and they don't want that shit any more than the Republicans do.

Trump took over the Republicans and purged everything that wasn't useful to turn it into his own fascist party. If we all want to rally behind the Democratic Party to oppose it, they must be similarly purged of the corruption that allowed this to happen and continues to enable it. Then and only then can they provide a credible grassroots opposition. Otherwise, we're just running on the same corrupt treadmill we always have been on.

[–] MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago (3 children)

If we all want to rally behind the Democratic Party to oppose it, they must be similarly purged of the corruption that allowed this to happen and continues to enable it. Then and only then can they provide a credible grassroots opposition. Otherwise, we're just running on the same corrupt treadmill we always have been on.

Unfortunately a sizable chunk of people would rather burn the whole thing down than put in the necessary work to do this. (See: every fucking primary turnout ever).

[–] OfCourseNot@fedia.io 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

No amount of primaries can solve it either, imo. The problem is parties. One party, two parties, many parties... they all end corrupt. A politician loyalty is not to the voters, or the people, or country. It is first and most to the party, because the party put them in that place, and it can take them away if they don't stay on their lane. Parties can be, and so most have been, easily infiltrated and corrupted since money is what wins elections.

[–] cecilkorik@piefed.ca 14 points 8 months ago

Citizens United was the nail in the coffin for American democracy IMO. No democracy can survive unlimited money being used as free speech. Those who have the most dollars speak loudest, plutocracy is inevitable, and from there are only paths to even worse forms of government.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The idea that primaries will fix this has been demonstrated beyond doubt to be false by Bernie 2016 and 2020. You won't force the party to change by playing by its rules.

[–] MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

"Bernie didn't win so primaries aren't useful" is a pretty weak ass argument.

I like Bernie. I voted for him, I door knocked for him, I phone banked for him, I've been to his rallies. Bernie. Did. Not. Get. Enough. Votes. End of story. If you can't win the Democratic primary (even with DNC bullshit), I'm skeptical you'll win the general. We didn't turn out in high enough numbers in both the 2016 and 2020 primaries. That's what happened.

You won't force the party to change by playing by its rules.

And you won't beat the 2 party system without capturing one of the parties or burning the entire thing to the ground.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Jessica Cisneros. Jamaal Bowman. Cori Bush.

Your party fights progressives but not republicans.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

democrats successfully argued in court that they don't have to run honest primaries. They eschewed the primary process entirely for president in 2024, like they had been itching to do since Obama beat clinton in '08.

progressives are absolutely right to not trust the party's primaries.