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[–] Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world -1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Hype flows in both directions. Right now the hype from most is finding issues with chatgpt. It did find the fallacies based on what it was asked to do. It worked as expected. You act like this is fire and forget. Given what this output gave me, I can easily keep working this to get better and better arguments. I can review the results and clarify and iterate. I did copy and paste just to show an example. First I wanted to be honest with the output and not modify it. Second is an effort thing. I just feel like you can't honestly tell me that within 10 seconds having that summary is not beneficial. I didn't supply my argument to the prompt, only yours. If I submitted my argument it would be better.

[–] antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Right now the hype from most is finding issues with chatgpt

hype noun (1)

publicity

especially : promotional publicity of an extravagant or contrived kind

You're abusing the meaning of "hype" in order to make the two sides appear the same, because you do understand that "hype" really describes the pro-AI discourse much better.

It did find the fallacies based on what it was asked to do.

It didn't. Put the text of your comment back into GPT and tell it to argue why the fallacies are misidentified.

You act like this is fire and forget.

But you did fire and forget it. I don't even think you read the output yourself.

First I wanted to be honest with the output and not modify it.

Or maybe you were just lazy?

Personally I'm starting to find these copy-pasted AI responses to be insulting. It has the "let me Google that for you" sort of smugness around it. I can put in the text in ChatGPT myself and get the same shitty output, you know. If you can't be bothered to improve it, then there's absolutely no point in pasting it.

Given what this output gave me, I can easily keep working this to get better and better arguments.

That doesn't sound terribly efficient. Polishing a turd, as they say. These great successes of AI are never actually visible or demonstrated, they're always put off - the tech isn't quite there yet, but it's just around the corner, just you wait, just one more round of asking the AI to elaborate, just one more round of polishing the turd, just a bit more faith on the unbelievers' part...

I just feel like you can’t honestly tell me that within 10 seconds having that summary is not beneficial.

Oh sure I can tell you that, assuming that your argumentative goals are remotely honest and you're not just posting stupid AI-generated criticism to waste my time. You didn't even notice one banal way in which AI misinterpreted my comment (I didn't say SMBC is bad), and you'd probably just accept that misreading in your own supposed rewrite of the text. Misleading summaries that you have to spend additional time and effort double checking for these subtle or not so subtle failures are NOT beneficial.

[–] Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 0 points 17 hours ago

Ok let's give a test here. Let's start with understand logic. Give me a paragraph and let's see if it can find any logical fallacies. You can provide the paragraph. Only constraint is that the context has to exist within the paragraph.