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Outing myself as a vegan here, but w/e.
Don't eat meat, eat protein and work out 3 days a week or more (if you can)! And specially if you're vegetarian or vegan, don't hesitate to consume 5g creatine monohydrate per day with a shake (or however else you like to drink it).
Edit: I forgot to write it, but obviously, if you're a woman or anything in between, you should also work out. We all should be strengthening our bodies and minds.
Got no problems with vegans as long as they aren't getting self righteous and treating non-vegans as sub human. For instance, That Vegan Teacher is a massive piece of shit who actively harms vegans with her actions.
I have no idea what vegan teacher youre talking about, and in my experience non-vegs feel bad just by hearing that I do actively go out of my way to not hurt innocent sentient beings.
But yes, of course you'll feel like you're doing the right thing, when you actually stop doing the wrong thing. Nothing wrong with that.
Also, the only reason the militant vegans make people so angry is, that deep down they know it's true. Change my mind.
Its more because they argue like religious people than someone genuinely trying to convince me. I genuinely do kinda agree that if you want to be as moral as possible you should be vegan. But to be entirely honest I just don't care about animal suffering that much when there are so many issues that affect people and my morality is basically completely human centric.
And inventing what is effectively used as a slur against omnivores really does diminish the idea that they are simply "doing the right thing". I am not saying that the term carnist is a slur for clarification just that in some vegan communities it is used in the same way that one would be used.
I think when you're calling vegans "religious" it's you using that as a slur, despite acknowledging that it's objectively true, which you probably wouldn't say about religions?
And I agree that there are many more problems, but it's easy to tackle more than one problem at a time, and considering that meat production is responsible for around 15-20% of all carbon emissions, and is a waste of calories (you feed the plants to the animals to get 1/10th at most back), it's an easy way to also try to help out humans by combatting climate change and world hunger.
I'd also add that the term "carnist" is just a factual description. It's like calling a female presenting person woman.
I didn't called vegans religious I said they argued like religious people. Thank you for making that point for me actually.
Its easy to focus on more than one thing but it is impossible to care about everything at once, last time I tried to do that I simply stopped caring about anything for 4 years.
Where's the stat for 15-20% for animal emissions? I'm seeing ≈10% for all agricultural and about ≈60% of that from animals.
I don't really get the waste of calories as a point against eating meat? I don't think that we have to be perfectly efficient with all of the things that we use and on top of that the problems with hunger that we experience are unrelated to the total amount of calories we have available and rather the distribution of them.
Yes vegans only use it descriptively and it is never used in a way to imply in short hand that they are bad people. Never. I watched the vegan sub on reddit for over a year so you might want to try that on someone who hasn't seen the way that some vegans talk about people who eat/use animal products. Some people use veganism as a weapon against other people to feel superior I'm not saying it's you but its a thing that you should be aware actually does exist in your camp like I'm aware that there are people that seem to think eating meat makes them a big strong manly man.
Im not interested in trying to change your mind. And not everyone has the resources, time, energy, or interest in becoming vegan. And no, people aren't angry with militant vegans because they are right. Its because militant vegans are worse than jehovah's witnesses when it comes to pushing their ideology on others and refusing to acknowledge their own privileges in being able to be vegan and make no effort to learn about anyone else. And that's all I'll say on it so if you want to argue do it with someone else.
What I read is that you believe being vegan is being privileged (which to an extend is true, because usually it's the more educated population that also tends to be vegan).
But the reality is that vegan food is cheaper for the same nutrients. And that despite meat and milk being havily subsidized.
Vegan food is not available everywhere. It also provides less flexibility, more effort involved in setting up your diet. If education were such a big factor, i would think vegans would have more self awareness in how they try to provide information and talk to others. Also, just because vegan food is inexpensive where someone is doesnt mean it is everyone. Most important is availability. There are a lot of people who don't have access to it. I'll tell you right now someone getting in my face being all aggressive is going to make me ignore them, doesn't matter their message.
Ok, so so you're saying me that somewhere 200g of meat is cheaper than 200g of tofu? Because an average meal is pretty much vegan except for the protein, if you cook with oil instead of butter (which is also cheaper).
But yeah, no matter what I say, you'll claim it's wrong, mainly because you're not really interested in anything but spreading your words. Which is fine, have a nice day.
No he's saying there are places that can't get 200g of tofu. So it would need to be imported which would make it cost more than 200g of meat. Also, often times, those places that don't have 200g of tofu, the people living there grow and eat their own livestock. I personally know of Mexican villages that don't have a grocery store within 150 miles. So like you've already been told once in the thread, check your privilege. I'm happy that you're happy about your dietary choices. I'm also especially happy for you that you have the opportunity to make those dietary choices. Not everyone can.
It's funny how you come with a small valid exception, when the majority of humanity lives in big cities where everything is accessible.
Of course, Inuit people in North Canada will eat seals, but hiding yourself behind them just shows how unaware you're of your own privilege and also responsibility.
I'm not OP, the only position I stated was that many people dislike vegans because they position themselves as mightier than thou without checking their own privilege.
If you're going to try and turn this around on me, maybe you should try and find a way to make your counter point actually an effective one based on the information I had given you. I didn't express my privilege to you before you decided to tell me how unaware I am of it. In fact as far as you know before your comment, I could have been a citizen of one of those Mexican villages. Would you have told one of them to check their privilege? I doubt it. But then again, why would they bother arguing with such a tiny world view that assumes they were an edge case at best. Want to talk about the south east Asian farm towns in the same boat? How about aboriginals? Or the many African tribes.
All I know about you is that you're a vegan and you believe that anyone who eats meat is morally wrong and should feel ashamed for not just eating plant based protein. That's what you've given me. So I should assume that about you. What I shouldn't assume about you is that you're a well to do white person in a major metropolitan area of the US or Canada or some other first world power where you know where your next meal comes from and have a stable income. I shouldn't assume those things about you because you never said those things. See how that works? I know you're privileged because you don't worry about edge cases like poor Mexican villages or north Canadian Inuits. I also know you're privileged because you think your world view is more important than others' and you talk about it that way on the internet.
So now give it a good thought with the information you can glean from my prior comment to you. Did I say I was anti-veganism? Did I say I eat meat? Did I say I lived in one of those major metropolitan areas where everything is accessible? Is it safe to assume anything at all other than I dislike when people push their beliefs on others to make them feel bad about themselves when all they're trying to do is get by?
I wouldn't want an evangelist knocking at your door about becoming a Jehovah's witness just the same as I don't want people like you picking on perfectly good people who eat meat. Eating meat doesn't make you deserving of shame any more than a sinner in the eyes of a church.
And just like you said before how you think all meat eaters know that it's wrong, you might be projecting a little bit. Because I suspect you know it's kinda morally gross it is to evangelise through guilt even if the goal is an individual eating less meat.
The fact that you're always deflecting off yourself shows me everything I need to know about you.
You know that you'd have a choice, and you know that it's objectively wrong to harm animals for no reason. And all the pointing to cases where it might be justified does not change that fact.
What is a good source of protein for vegans? I am flexitarian just to diminish my impact. But my main source is from cottage cheese / yoghurt and the alike.
To be honest, I am vegan for over 12 years and my main source of protein at the moment is Tofu (I airfry a whole diced package, 20g protein per 200g), or eat soy chunks, soaked in hot water and pan fried (from the local indian store, 19g protein per 40g dry chunks). Also nice is gluten powder (also called seitan), which is wheat protein isolate and is excellent to be transformed into your own meat substitute (also sausages). That has 24g protein per 30g of dry mass, but for consistency I'd recommend mixing it with something like crushed beans or chickpeas, otherwise it'll be very elastic.
Otherwise I love the taste of the Orgain plant based protein, and of course, as mentioned by other people, eating a variety of lentils, beans, nuts or chickpeas helps to get the extra you need (the first paragraph is to fill up in the evening if you didn't have enough during the day)
Hell dry oatmeal has 10-17g/100g if my memory serves me right.
Yeah, oats are really great an hour before a workout, or if you still have capacity for carbs, but all other sources have less carbs per protein.
That's true. But for cheap, readily available, plant based and often short traveled food with decent amount of protein it always struck me as hard to beat. Easy to cook, and can be eaten cold. I usually make it into overnight oats with nuts and Greek style yoghurt (tho then it's no longer vegan.)
Does the protein disappear if you get it wet?
You think men on the internet have experience getting something wet?
No. But probably diluted. But if you drink all the liquid it's suspended/dissolved in you still get all. Its just that nutritional information is given for dry.
Cooking it will probably denature it (unfold it so to speak) making the amino acids more available. But all there
What's the texture/taste like? I have pretty bad sensitivity issues when it comes to eating and I've never tried it because tofu has always looked really unappetizing to me. I don't want to waste it if I don't like it. I don't like deli meat for the same reason although I can force it down if it's served at a lunch or something. If the same thing happened with tofu id try it. I've never even seen seitan as far as I know.
Tofu really depends on which consistency you buy. In stores like H-mart or other asian stores (USA), you can usually buy from very soft (silken tofu, consistency very soft) to very firm (consistency closer to a block of fresh cheese)
In Europe it can even go to more firm consistencies, something you can also reach yourself if you press/compress it for a few hours (google tofu press, probably also works if you improvise it).
If you're searching something more meat like, I'd recommend trying soy chunks from a local indoan store (or the internet), they are also very convenient because they come dry and you can store them for ages until you soak and cook them. Just make sure to add spices when cooking tofu and/or soy chunks, because both don't really have a taste by themselves. I usually use Soy sauce, sesame oil, garlic powder, salt, pepper and various types of chillies.
Not a vegan, but plant proteins are highly abundant in anything like lentils, beans, rice, nuts, the thing is they aren’t complete proteins, for the most part, so you need to make sure whatever your eating is paired with a complementary amino acid profile. Generally if you’re eating beans or legumes then pair them with a grain or rice. Seitan is a great source of protein if you pair it with the right things because the only amino acid it’s not providing is lysine.
Now we're talking!!!
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Hell yea, I think I would like to go vegan at some point. If anyone is vegan curious I find Dr Mike Israetel is has some good videos on it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHVdvny9kbs
Not really related, but where did this whole workout trend come from? What is the issue with traditional sports?
I think part of it is to reclaim masculinity (big muscle = very man), but of course there's nothing wrong with other sports! Just stay active!
They’re for people that aren’t in their mid 30’s and older. Nothing wrong with them, but after a certain point, there’s a lot of difficulty in keeping up with the scheduling surrounding team sports.