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Sadness comes in many forms (sub.wetshaving.social)
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[–] Squorlple@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Passivity vs. activeness in consciousness is the distinction I was making.

I understand the connections well enough and I could make them on my own if I saw a purpose to it, such as narrative storytelling or choosing them as representative props. Someone seeing a banal object, devoid of story and history and just merely existing, and then succumbing to emotions over loose connections to human characteristics is what I don’t relate to. A cigar without narrative purpose is just a cigar. I can see others have totems and fetishes (in the sociological sense) of their own but the extent to which I deal with these is recognizing the message when they are used or abused.

[–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Its sort of sounding like somebody got irritated with your creative process when you were a kid, and now you're trying to reconcile that with other people being allowed to emote and create "for no reason".

[–] Squorlple@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

??? That is wildly off the mark. I’m a full on supporter of intrinsic motivation to create. I’ve defended art for the sake of expression repeatedly on this account, and I abhor when people play to the gallery. My confusion is with passive conviction of anthropomorphism rather than anthropomorphism arising only out of driven intent.

[–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

It was this:

Someone seeing a banal object, devoid of story and history and just merely existing, and then succumbing to emotions over loose connections to human characteristics is what I don’t relate to.

Seeing creativity as "succumbing to emotions" sounds like you think its a bad thing that your parents told you not to do.

[–] Squorlple@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I mean I guess that’s sort of the point I’m stuck on. The situations I’m describing, such as in the post we’re on, are that which I cannot see as creative or active. They seem passive and overwhelming and able to genuinely convince someone of that which is clearly not there. They are of the imagination, yes, but they seem to rely on some form of unprompted and willful cognitive dissonance.

[–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 1 points 38 minutes ago

Do you have unprompted creativity in other areas?

Like, I struggle with traditional writing, but I make miniature dioramas. It's occasionally unprompted; I recently bought frozen shrimp and thought the lid was sorta window-shaped, so now I'm making it into a window seat for a 1:12 scale treehouse library diorama. I wasn't planning the diorama first, the whole scene came to mind unbidden, and now I'm making it.

I feel like it's the same thing as what you're describing, but I don't know if you see it as different or not.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

I understand the connections well enough and I could make them on my own if I saw a purpose to it, such as narrative storytelling or choosing them as representative props.

This is my point "if I saw a purpose" means that you would miss any purposes that would only be evident when the act was complete.

Someone seeing a banal object, devoid of story and history and just merely existing,

There is no object in existence that is devoid of story and history. Everything came from somewhere whether by nature or human intervention.

and then succumbing to emotions

What is the negative outcome of "succumbing to emotions" from your beaker example? What cost is paid? What energy lost that would have been expending elsewhere?

over loose connections to human characteristics is what I don’t relate to. A cigar without narrative purpose is just a cigar.

Just your suggestion of a cigar triggers in me dozens of different threads of thought. Here's just a few:

  • agricultural - Tobacco was planted and cultivate, harvested then dried and processed. Tobacco can only be grown in certain places in the world. The cigar itself may have been wrapped by hand.
  • health - Tobacco has many of the obvious negative health aspects, but a bit fewer with cigars than other tobacco consumption methods
  • visceral - Cigar smoke does not smell good to me. Its a pungent and then stale. Something to be avoided. Watching smoke rise is fascinating as it drifts with air currents in the room. Cigars weigh much less than I would expect from how they look.
  • cultural - Some modern cultures have a high integration with cigars, and even some like Cuba, have a national identity surrounding them. In the west they were, at one time, an expected gift for the announcement of a new birth.
  • historical - Growing tobacco massively changed the world a few times in history, and lead to the enslavement of people in some cases/regions.

The whole thought process that produced that entire list happened to me automatically and was started and ended in less than one second. To me, when someone mentions a cigar any of these things could include additional communications cues to the person or their purpose. Its non-verbal subtext.

I deal with these is recognizing the message when they are used or abused.

I think you may be missing messages.