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In exchange for the resettling of Palestinians, the administration would potentially release to Libya billions of dollars of funds that the U.S. froze more than a decade ago, those three people said.

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[–] MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 77 points 4 days ago (50 children)

As I recall, it was important to punish the Biden administration for their role in assisting Israel.

As it turns out, there are severe consequences to ignoring absolutely every warning that Trump would be worse.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Let's be real, the Biden administration didn't achieve one single thing to slow things down. While they wagged a finger with one hand, they handed over billions of dollars of bombs with the other. They arranged peace talks that Israel super super promised they'd finally show up to this time and then didn't for the seventh consecutive time in a row, and the Biden administration went "okay" and handed them more bombs. Maybe Trump is objectively worse, but it's hard to imagine that a Harris presidency would be meaningfully better in this particular regard based on the actions, not the words, of the Biden administration.

Edit: to be clear, I voted for Harris, because I still wanted to reduce harm, but I really was expecting the older, more powerful, more pro-genocide voices in the party to be steering the wheel here, not Harris.

[–] MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Maybe Trump is objectively worse

Maybe hurricanes are windy.

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[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 16 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

With regards to Israel / Palestine, watching this unfold under Biden reminded me of the scene in Saving Private Ryan where the one soldier was going "shhh" while pushing a knife into the other soldier. And someone else watching but not doing anything about it.

Remember that Biden flat out lied to the American public. He will be remembered for his complicity in genocide, and there is absolutely nothing he can do to prevent this legacy. History is written by the victors, but younger generations get the last word.

Trump is certainly worse for Americans, and I voted with this in mind, but both sides are fucking awful for Palestinians. Lest we forget Chuck "my job is to keep the left pro-genocide" Schumer.

[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Although not voting was the wrong move, It's important to hold the democrats accountable imo. They essentially lost the election because they considered genocide more important then their consituents.

The fact is that Gazas fate would have been the same under both party. The way forward is to demand change from the democratic party to avoid such scenarios. Blaming voters implies it wasnt the democrats at fault in the first place for pushing apathy and genocide as their main platform. Even worse, it implies genocide somehow shouldnt be a voting issue.

[–] DadVolante@sh.itjust.works 14 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (51 children)

The hell it would have. To say that the fate of Gaza would have been the same is absolute horseshit.

Democrats lost the election because a bunch of shitheel Muricans decided to stay home.

It's our fault and fuck y'all for trying to blame Democrats for not inspiring people to protect marginalized groups.

Dems suck but so does the general population that refuses to take any responsibility for their part in making this happen.

If you need a god damn politician to inspire you to think beyond yourself, you fuckin suck and are trash.

Over it.

Edit: I'm not responding to any more of you kids who are trying to justify sitting on your asses. None of you have helped save a single Palestinian life.

You're just spoiled Americunts who think you're superheroes for doing nothing

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago

I voted for Harris and I blame the democrats. They knew the stakes, they know the populist moment we're in, and they decided that their best strategy was to take all the excitement and buzz of the new Kamala candidacy and say "we're not going to really change anything; if things suck for you, no they don't, actually, you're just stupid lol; anyway, look, here's Katy Perry and Barack Obama lecturing down to a bunch of black men." The DNC twisted Kamala's arm to make sure she didn't insult Biden by saying she'd do anything different, because protecting the feefees of long standing and well regarded party members is more important than winning or getting shot done. The DNC decided to stack Kamala's campaign with the same staff that lost the HRC campaign. Nobody made them decide that celebrity guest appearances were more important than proposing actually good changes to get out the vote, but here we are.

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