I don't do much frontend work these days, but years ago, it felt like the defining feature of Bootstrap was the 12-column layout. Sure, it had fun buttons and other components, but the ability to trivially define multi-column layout without ripping your hair out was its raison d'être.

Now that we have flexbox, I'm not sure anyone needs Bootstrap.

[–] bleistift2@sopuli.xyz 16 points 1 month ago (3 children)

It also has lots of UI widgets like collapsing elements, modals and alerts. Sure, you could code all these by hand, but why bother?

[–] Flamekebab@piefed.social 10 points 1 month ago

Mainly because I already understand CSS and HTML and having to learn their way of doing things is extra work and overhead.

[–] somegeek@programming.dev 2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

All the elements you mentioned are natove HTML elements that don't need any library.

[–] refalo@programming.dev 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

many native elements either do not function like people want or cannot be styled the same

[–] somegeek@programming.dev 1 points 1 month ago

Can you elaborate? Give some examples?

[–] ClassifiedPancake@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 month ago

Yes but it wasn’t always the case. Bootstrap used to be very helpful when grids, modals, accordions and so on were not standard.

[–] bleistift2@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What’s a native HTML element that mimics Bootstraps Collapse?

[–] Flamekebab@piefed.social 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

details and summary?

[–] bleistift2@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I was going to list a whole bunch of things the DETAILS tag doesn’t allow, but it seems that none of these issues actually appear. So either it has evolved since I’ve looked at it last time or I was stupid.

Either way, thanks for talking back.

[–] Flamekebab@piefed.social 2 points 1 month ago

I had to look it up myself - so I learned about it too!

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

We have better alternatives today as well and still I see people choosing Bootstrap and violently cringe.

[–] refalo@programming.dev 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm a huge fan of bootstrap and I feel that writing CSS from scratch is much harder.

[–] Flamekebab@piefed.social 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I'm glad someone does! I don't like disliking it.

[–] farngis_mcgiles@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

give yourself a treat every time you use it

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

And ring a bell

[–] runeko@programming.dev 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"... I don't like disliking it." You and I have very different life experiences.

[–] Flamekebab@piefed.social 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There's a lot of things I detest - bananas, generic medieval fantasy settings, reality TV. My life isn't better for disliking them, it's just the unfortunate reality of my character.

[–] runeko@programming.dev 2 points 1 month ago

Agreed. My life is also not better for disliking things, but I really LIKE disliking those things.

[–] etchinghillside@reddthat.com 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I’m kind of surprised to see its name. Was fairly widespread back in angular/backbone days – I kind of assumed all the useful stuff from it got adopted natively as I haven’t really heard any frontend teams I’ve worked with over the recent years mention it.

[–] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 7 points 1 month ago

I used it a little in a recent project, but I'm mostly a backend dev and am new to front end. When I Googlef how to make stuff pretty or improve UI, a lot of results were still related to Bootstrap, probably because it was so ubiquitous for so many years.

[–] JamesBoeing737MAX@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Well, just copy shit other people made with minimal changes. Problem solved.

[–] Flamekebab@piefed.social 3 points 1 month ago

I can use Bootstrap, much like I can write CSS, I just don't think it's a good use of my time.