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European leaders tell Putin to agree to unconditional ceasefire by Monday or face ‘massive’ sanctions
(www.theguardian.com)
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If your neighbour came into your house and took over the living room and front foyer how would there even be a compromise?
I don't see any way that Ukraine could allow an aggressor to just take a part of Its land, displace a large chunk of the population, and then say its okay you can have what you took by force so far.
You are correct Putin is going to say No to giving back any portion of land he took by force.
That is how it worked in the past, a kingdom attacked another, battles were fought, and new borders were drawn.
At the end it is a matter of how much the belligerents can each take.
Sooner or later negotiations will start, a new border will be drawn, and tensions will go down.
In an ideal world, Russia would be forced to give back all of the land they captured since 2014, all of the Ukranian people they kidnapped, and pay reparations to Ukraine.
But my expectations is that in reality Ukraine will be forced to give up Chrimea in exchange for Russia to give back the land they captured since 2022, there will be a discussion about war reparations, Russia will argue that they already paid reparations based on how European nations took frozen Russian assets and gave to Ukraine.
There will be some relatively small compensation paid out to Ukraine.
I don't want Ukraine to have to give up on Chrimea, but realistically I don't see how they would have the strength to retake it as the situation is now.
So you're basically saying, this is how it worked in the past, so we shouldn't put the effort into striving for a better future?
No, they're saying that's how things usually worked in the past, and therefore we shouldn't be very surprised if we end up with a similar outcome today.
They even specifically state that they don't like the idea of an outcome where Ukraine gives up land.
Exactly
Sorry about that, reading comprehension isn't my strong point lately it seems. Thanks you two (@[email protected])
Yes, I understand this, hence my observation.
All good, I upvoted your comment and was not disagreeing with you. Not sure why you got down voted. Your comment is valid, I was just building on top of it, basically mirroring what you said TBH.
The issue is emotionally charged and highly divisive, so it is unsurprising to me. FWIW, I think the EU is doing what it can with diplomacy, but Putin has already shown that he cannot be reasoned with in this manner.