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[–] [email protected] 4 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

The standard penalty for starting a war is being in a state of war, during which your opponents will try to kill you. Until the war is over your opponents will keep trying to kill you.

Its worth noting that armestice wasn't reached until Stalin died and the new soviet leaders weren't interested in prolonging the war, which suggests that the belligerents in the conflict were happy to continue it as Koreans continued to die in order to support their territorial and idiological designs.

In my opinion the US shouldn't have crossed the 38th parallel north, doing so brought china into the war and ended the possibility of a quick end to the war and fewer deaths, but that sin pales in comparison to starting the invasion in the first place.

The real tragedy is the same as it ever is in wars, innocent civilians and young soldiers die in droves because someone in power wanted more land, more subjects, more resources more power and made the decision to take it at the cost of these lives.

And let's not pretend that if the ROK and the US didn't fight there wouldn't have been massacres of civilians, purges of intellectuals and "political dissidents" and forced migration.

The community we are in is somewhat appropriate when you are advocating that "war is bad" so people shouldn't fight back when they are invaded because people die or powerful nations shouldn't militarily support victims of invasions because that "prolongs the war" during which yes; people die. I see enough of that from the various anti-ukraine/pro-russia shills, it's nice to see that logic gets applied to other cases where a country with red in it's flag tries to annex its neighbour too.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

It sounds to me like you think anything is fair in war. Provide as much random background as you want, none of it justifies the scale of destruction. Just look it up on Wikipedia and tell me again that it's just war and it was all necessary to prevent the undoubtedly awful things NK had planned.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago

Way to disengage with every point made and assume I am a warmonger.

I did almost include a paragraph on the morality of the bombing of Pyongyang, but after some thought I realise it wasn't even a decade after ww2 and area bombing cities was part of how America and its allies won that conflict.

Would you say bombing Germany was necessary or justified to stop facism in Europe? Was the bombing of Japan necessary or justified to end Japanese subjugation of Asia?

I'm not sure I have a consistent position on this, it feels like the bombing of Korea was excessive but the bombing of Germany was necessary, but I can't find a good justification for that split.

Either way I'm not particularly interested in defending the US's conduct, but the original commenter presenting the invading country as being innocent and laying all the blame for the war at the feet of the US is gross.

This isn't even getting into the fact that NK has one of the worst human rights records in the world.