this post was submitted on 06 May 2025
311 points (96.7% liked)
A Boring Dystopia
12072 readers
16 users here now
Pictures, Videos, Articles showing just how boring it is to live in a dystopic society, or with signs of a dystopic society.
Rules (Subject to Change)
--Be a Decent Human Being
--Posting news articles: include the source name and exact title from article in your post title
--If a picture is just a screenshot of an article, link the article
--If a video's content isn't clear from title, write a short summary so people know what it's about.
--Posts must have something to do with the topic
--Zero tolerance for Racism/Sexism/Ableism/etc.
--No NSFW content
--Abide by the rules of lemmy.world
founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
Lehi was a fringe group back then. The main Jewish militia Haganah actively fought them and opposed their methods.
The Haganah’s opposition to Lehi wasn’t moral, it was strategic; both were Zionist terrorist militias committed to the same settler-colonial project, and while Lehi was more openly extremist, the Haganah orchestrated and executed the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians in 1948 under a more ‘respectable’ facade. Don't whitewash terrorists.
What do you think of Jews being ethnically cleansed from the West Bank and Jerusalem?
Jews lived in the West Bank and Jerusalem for centuries before 1948. Jerusalem was majority Jewish since the 19th century. Especially the eastern part was Jewish. Sheik Jerra used to be a Jewish neighborhood until 1948. Hebron had an old jewish community until the progrom in 1929.
What is their purpose in living in the west bank? Genuine question, don't deflect.
The reason vary. Security and ancient connection to Judea and Samaria are the main ones.
Not relevant to current geopolitics or international law.
Settlers building houses way outside of Israeli areas does not enhance security in any meaningful way. Case in point, you literally just claimed they were being ethnically cleansed.
In 1947/48 Jews were ethnically cleansed from the West Bank and Jerusalem. Afterwards they were expelled from most Arab and Muslim countries.
Yes, many scholars think the settlements in the West Bank are against international law.
Settlements do something for security. Israel is a tiny country and the West Bank is the high ground overlooking the coastal plain. From some points in the West Bank attackers can shell the main population areas easily, as has happened in the past. So taking land alleviates that strategic weak point. An attack on a settlement is one less attack on Israel or gives advance notice of bigger attacks. It also gives the IDF legitimacy to operate in the area to protect civilians. That’s the reasoning behind them.
Now, I‘m against settlements and the land theft and oppression of Palestinians that results from it.
"Fringe" groups don't have their leaders become Prime Minister.
Also, I can find no records of the Haganah fighting the Lehi, even though it was Lehi who assassinated Lord Moyne. The Haganah did attack the Irgun, but the Saison only lasted 4 months and was broadly unpopular with Haganah members. That was also the beginning of the end of the Haganah working with the British. (there was some more cooperation, but there were also Haganah backed terrorist attacks against the British as well, it was a messy time.)
Post 1945, all three militant organizations joined hands to murder Palestinians, and sometimes the British while they still had a presence in Mandatory Palestine. Although there was still some bad blood between the Haganah and Irgun.
That didn't stop the Haganah from actively helping Irgun and Lehi carry out the Deir Yassin massacre.
Fun fact, the Irgun folded directly into the IDF, and formed Herut, which was the main conservative political party before merging with the remnants of Lehi to form Likud, the current conservative political party led by Netanyahu, sure, it took eight elections for them to gain power, but they did in fact gain power.
Menachem Begin was leader of the Irgun, not the Lehi. Although these groups were both extremists. He became prime minister two decades later. Yes, he was a right winger and considered armed conflict to be inevitable. He also became prime minister by catering to the underserved and discriminated Mizrahi population, that had to flee from persecution in Arab countries to Israel.
Another former terrorist becoming President is right next door with Yasser Arafat.
Jews were also massacred and expelled at the time like in 1929 in Hebron and during the 1947/48 war.
That said of course Deir Yassin was a big crime.
Yitzhak Shamir was the second leader of Lehi after Stern was killed, he too was prime minister.
Not a good look when you have multiple terrorist leaders become prime minister.
As to the 1929 massacre, it was bad, but you can sort of understand the urge to fight against colonizers. Which the Jewish population was already starting to become thanks to the Balfour Declaration and the British betrayal of the Arab fighters who served under T.E. Lawrence.
As to the 1947/1948 war... Some Palestinians fought back, but they were out gunned thanks to Poland of all places. Hundreds of Palestinian villages were depopulated, either through outright massacres or threats of massacres, and none of those people were ever allowed to go home. Their land seized by foreign occupiers, who gave it to their friends.
Which has been the story ever since. Zionists, often foreign born, come in, steal some land, kill some people, and face no consequences because they have the backing of foreign military hardware.
Hebron had a very old Jewish community. It was part of the old Yishuv for centuries. These weren’t colonizers but indigenous.
You’re leaving out the reason why most Zionists come to Israel. They come as refugees from persecution to the only place they can go.
Persecuted people, who instantly started killing the natives. 1929 was 9 years into the Zionist colonization. 12 or 13 if you want to speak about Mr Balfour or Mr Sykes. Which just goes to show that you don't have to be Jewish to be a Zionist piece of shit.
Zionism and immigration started before Balfour ever wrote something down.
When Balfour wrote the declaration the British Empire didn’t even have control over Palestine. The declaration was an attempt to use the Zionist movement for the British Empire’s ambitions in the region.
You're completely ignoring the fact that the British followed through on their promises of Zionism.
Or deflecting from it.
As soon as the British took over, in the first two years, more Jewish settlers arrived in Palestine than had in the previous two decades. And those two years were instantly eclipsed by the next two.
This was a deliberate colonization effort, complete with laws that blatantly favored Jewish settlers over the Palestinian natives.
A Jewish settlers could go to the British and simply say that they wanted Palestinian land, and the British would help evict the natives. (Okay, they had to be slightly more creative than that, usually lying about land deals, but everyone knew there was no deal or real land dispute)
Is it any wonder that the Palestinians started fighting back?