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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Its unclear. There is a japanese name associated with it but its assumed I believe that its not the persons actual name.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You know the story about the Somali pirate stock market?

Think that, but times 1000.

Bitcoin is mostly used for illegal shit. Mostly drug trades, but anything else criminal as well. Want to buy guns, whores, even a hitman? Bitcoin.

The drug trade basically created the value for Bitcoin. And then the traders who already had lots of it when people began hyping Bitcoin became richer and richer.

Which annoys me a whole fucking ton, because at one point I had over 120 Bitcoin in my possession. Should've saved at least one and I wouldn't be in this problem. Well, honestly, I would, because I'd have probably sold it at 500 or something.

Back when I had then they were worth 1e a piece. Ordered me some drugs, so I never bought them as an investment, just as currency.

Tldr Anyway yeah investing in Bitcoin is essentially funding drug cartels.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Source for what? For my personal experiences? For me having purchased drugs?

Or the amount of marketplaces, interactions in the marketplaces, and their values?

We can't quantify the size of the illegal drug trade, but it's in the hundreds of billions, if not trillions.

Hell, if only any of those marketplaces were open anymore, I'd have had probably now worth thousands in Bitcoin because a portion of them remained after my shopping. I didn't have a local Bitcoin wallet, the stores had wallets you'd transfer into.

But yeah they switch so often, after either cutting and running or being caught.

But yeah, that's what made Bitcoin a bit more mainstream, but the value radically shot up once people began seeing it as something worth investing in, since the value was growing relatively fast even without there being investors.

I don't know what you're asking a source for, exactly.

With a world GDP of US$78 trillion in the same year, the illegal drug trade may be estimated as nearly 1% of total global trade.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_drug_trade

And those are honestly very conservative (and bad) guesses. Of course it's much larger. You can see if you google it, none of the guesses are even similar to each other, lol.

Also, remember there's a hugely popular show called "how to sell drugs online - fast" or smth. It's just everywhere. But people pretend it isn't. It's fascinating to me, the willfull ignorance.

We have to legalise all drugs to actually get them under regulation.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Source for what?

Your thesis:

Bitcoin is mostly used for illegal shit.

I've bought a ton of drugs with cash. Is cash mostly used for illegal shit?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I've bought a ton of drugs with cash. Is cash mostly used for illegal shit?

What a shit strawman. The illegal drug trade figuring out it could use tor and bitcoin is what made cryptos popular.

No-one knew shit about them before that. The blockchain was invented in the 90's.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk_Road_(marketplace)

Between February 2011 and July 2013, the site facilitated sales amounting to 9,519,664 bitcoins

While nowadays places do accept bitcoin and it could also be used as a every niche currency, in practice, there is no use for it, except purchasing illegal goods and services.

Because if you actually need something that isn't illegal, why the fuck would you use bitcoin? Because first off, you'd have to find someone who agrees to accept it. Are there any supermarkets where you live which accept bitcoin? Any stores which accept it, period? Perhaps the local headshop/vapestore/other such place run by some weed-worshipping 20-year old might, but seeing how slow it is, that's doubtful either. People take donations on sites in Bitcoin.

What use does Bitcoin actually have, except for illegal shit?

It's downright obtuse pretending otherwise. When Bitcoin came out in 2009, it had no users or use cases. Then 2011 Silk Road opens and less than three years later there are official inquiries from states like UK into cryptos, because it started the crypto boom and made Bitcoin actually valuable, because it's used to facilitate drug deals, which are worth actual money.

So because it has a base value of the trading going on in the marketplaces, investors started just buying it because it was a very good investment. But people don't buy it to use as currency — unless they plan on buying something illegal.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

As a decentralized store of value.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

But it's not.

It's an actively used currency. Very actively. There's probably been thousands of transactions in the time we've had this chat.

It's just that pretty much every single one of those is for drugs or other illegal services, mostly drugs. (I say "pretty much everyone" because there's the offchance that someone has actually used one of those niche stores which accept bitcoin).

So I've given you plenty of proof.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It's just that pretty much every single one of those is for drugs or other illegal services, mostly drugs

Based on your best guess.

Its also not relevant. Bitcoins key utility is as a store of value, and that's what its being used for most.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No, based on actual data available.

We only have data for busted markets, which is only a miniscule proportion of the trade being done, yet it still far outweighs any transactions used for legal purposes. Even when stores like growstores accept bitcoin and growers sometimes use their profits (made illegally, from several illegal transactions) to do one transaction which is for legal grow shit. The amount they'll make off that gear will be far greater than the it's cost.

This isn't a debate. This is you just refusing to accept reality.

https://syntheticdrugs.unodc.org/syntheticdrugs/en/cybercrime/onlinetrafficking/payment/index.html

Cryptocurrency emerged in 2008 with the Bitcoin whitepaper as a scientific experiment. In less than ten years, it had become a part of the global financial system with the capitalization of trillions of dollars. To understand more about how cryptocurrencies are used, please see the video below.

https://www.europol.europa.eu/cms/sites/default/files/documents/Europol%20Spotlight%20-%20Cryptocurrencies%20-%20Tracing%20the%20evolution%20of%20criminal%20finances.pdf

The criminal use of cryptocurrency is no longer primarily confined to cybercrime activities, but now relates to all types of crime that require the transmission of monetary value. However, the scale and share of the illicit use of cryptocurrencies as part of criminal activities is difficult to estimate

It's impossible to have specific numbers of a black market, in case you want something even more specific, but despite not being able to pin down specific numbers, it's obvious.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

First of all, we aren't talking about cryptocurrency, we're talking about Bitcoin.

Secondly, like I already said, it's irrelevant. Bitcoin is for storing value.

Edit: To put it another way, let's say >51% of Bitcoin transactions are used to facilitate illegal activities -- so what?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Secondly, like I already said, it's irrelevant. Bitcoin is for storing value.

Like I said, this isn't a debate. It's just you refusing reality.

Those studied specify bitcoin, but they talk about it as the tech it is. Some memecoins have stock sure, but the most stable and valuable is bitcoin. Why? Because most of it is being actively used for criminal enterprises.

There wouldn't be any value in bitcoin without drug markets. That's the point. The only reason some wannabe 20's think it's to "store value" is because they can't afford any of the things which actual investors invest in.

You demand proof from me, yet you don't even offer a rationale to your delusions. Quite hypocritical, no?

I'd say it's closer to 99.9%, and that's a conservative estimate, in line with data. Where's yours?

Like some whiny kid said a few comments ago: "source?"

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I'd say it's closer to 99.9%, and that's a conservative estimate, in line with data.

Also you've failed to cite anything that even points to a ballpark percentage. Which data specifically points to ~100% of Bitcoin transactions being used to directly fund illegal activities?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You ve literally no proof for yourself delusions about it being a "store for value", but I've showered you with europol and other statistics showing that TRILLIONS are being used in criminal enterprises.

Do you know how large a number a trillion is?

Just because there are some barely valuable pump and dump meme coins doesn't make my original assertion any lesser correct. Having a few hundred million worth is nothing compared to the TRILLIONS in drug money.

And like I said, it's inherently impossible to quantify a BLACK MARKET, so the data we have is only showing a miniscule proportion of the actual illegal trades and even the best estimates are shown to be extremely conservative.

You just can't face reality.

https://www.drugpolicyfacts.org/node/4383

"Another online survey, based on a convenience sample of more than 100,000 participants in 35 countries worldwide, suggested that the proportion of Internet-using drug consumers who had purchased drugs on the dark web in the previous 12 months had more than doubled between 2014 and 2022, from 4.7 to 10.8 per cent.19 Although plausible, these findings should be interpreted with caution, because they are not based on representative global samples but on convenience samples that are characterized by an overrepresentation of Internet users in Europe, the Americas and Oceania.

Overlap that with the value of bitcoin. When was it's sharpest rise again?

Oh my. Looks like reality keeps differing with your delusions, mister "I-won't-accept-being-wrong-no-no-no"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

You've literally no proof for yourself delusions about it being a "store for value"

You haven't even argued that it isn't a store of value... Only that it's propped up by illegal activity.

showing that TRILLIONS are being used in criminal enterprises

Trillions of USD, not trillions of Bitcoins.

Just because there are some barely valuable pump and dump meme coins

Again, we're talking exclusively about Bitcoin.

You just can't face reality.

I can face reality just fine, you just can't seem to prove your claim.

Also not sure why you keep trying to, because again it's irrelevant

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Only that it’s propped up by illegal activity.

Well yes. That's the point. You can bank in anything that you can rely on, and you can rely on drug markets making money. "A store of value" is nothing but an investment. And the only reason it became actually reliable and profitable to invest in Bitcoin is because of the drug markets.

You're pretending like you can't infer things. Like people can't infer things. Do you know what that word means?

Again, we’re talking exclusively about Bitcoin.

And had you bothered to read the studies, you'd notice the specify they do as well.

I can face reality just fine, you just can’t seem to prove your claim.

Well not to a person who can't face reality, no. Obviously since you can't face reality, you'll decry anything as "not sufficient evidence", because your ego is just too weak for you to ever admit to having been wrong.

Show me proof that I'm wrong. Oh, wait, you can't, because I'm right and I've proved that and if you research the subject you'll find nothing but data agreeing with me and disagreeing with you.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well yes. That's the point. You can bank in anything that you can rely on, and you can rely on drug markets making money. "A store of value" is nothing but an investment. And the only reason it became actually reliable and profitable to invest in Bitcoin is because of the drug markets.

So we agree, it's a store of value.

And had you bothered to read the studies, you'd notice the specify they do as well.

Was in reference to you bringing up pump and dump memecoins. That's why I quoted that part...

Well not to a person who can't face reality, no.

What reality have I not faced?

Show me proof that I'm wrong.

That's not how that works, and you know that. I also never said you were wrong about anything except Bitcoin not being a store of value, which you agree that it is. So not sure what you're even looking for...

I'm right and I've proved that

No you haven't.

data agreeing with me

Then present it.

disagreeing with you.

Disagreeing with me about what...?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So we agree, it’s a store of value.

Much in the same way that any blunt object is a hammer? Yeah, sure. But if you go around calling wrenches "hammers", just because you can hammer things with them, people are gonna look at you as if you were... eh.. "special."

Was in reference to you bringing up pump and dump memecoins. That’s why I quoted that part…

Those are still a marginal proportion of the trade. A hundred million is 0.01% of a trillion, as I'm sure you weren't aware. Some meme coins being pumped and dumped IS the >0.01% I was talking about.

That’s not how that works, and you know that. I also never said you were wrong about anything except Bitcoin not being a store of value, which you agree that it is. So not sure what you’re even looking for…

Yes, it is, because you refuse to acknowledge any data or any information we can infer from the data. Oh right, sorry, you don't understand the word. It means deduce or conclude (something) from evidence and reasoning rather than from explicit statements.

No you haven’t.

Yes, I have.

Then present it.

I already have, and you've the whole internet to research data or information supporting your delusions. Which you don't have and NEVER WILL. You know, because they're delusions.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

refuse to acknowledge any data or any information we can infer from the data.

I acknowledge the data you've cited -- but you have done nothing to demonstrate how that leads to a reasonable inference that ~100% of Bitcoin transactions are for illegal purposes.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago (27 children)

If you set aside purchasing or selling bitcoins, then yeah, that is more likely true than not.

I've asked you what else could there be? What use can it be for people? And the only thing you came up with is "a store of value". Meaning you're investing in something that is being actively used as currency, despite you not having a single use for that currency, because the market which utilises that currency is so strong, it makes investing (ie "storing value with the expectation it's gonna grow") in a currency profitable.

Like I said from the start, the drug trade created the value which made Bitcoin a worthwhile investment. That's what created the value; a market valued in TRILLIONS.

Remember that? How the value is in the TRILLIONS? Or are you just gonna pretend all the data I showed — from fucking Europol and not some niche independent propaganda rags — doesn't exist?

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

What claim did I make that you want a source for...?

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