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"Pope" Francis Dies at Age 88 (hilariouschaos.com)

submitted 6 days ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Considered by a growing minority as a non-Catholic antipope who continued the "Vatican 2" revolt against Catholicism, the late "Francis" in our view continually pushed heterodox ideology at odds with traditional Catholic belief and practice.

While I do not necessarily agree with the all these critiques of him or how they're delivered, here's a laundry list of articles that viewed him in the most negative light, from a "traditional Catholic" (sedevacantist) perspective: https://novusordowatch.org/francis/

It would be nice to see at this point before a new "pope" is elected to continue the confusion, of there being a global rejection of Vatican 2's "reforms" and of there then being a conclave to elect an unquestionably Catholic pope.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I'm not Catholic, but I just read a lot these links with quotes from the late Pope and feel like he was a very empathetic and humble teacher! A person who tried very hard not to speak for God, but rather leave a lot of room for the very real risk that a lot of previous teachings were perhaps biased and not biblical. Or even if the teachings were accurate, that being militant, turning away, and condemning outsiders was an unhealthy stance. Tolerance, empathy, humility, love for all mankind. These things perhaps are not as militant as some would like, but sound very Christlike. For example, the Pope receiving a trans couple and welcoming them sounds a lot like Christ spending time with prostitutes and welcoming them.

It always makes me sad when a leader tries to be loving and open to outsiders, but their followers want them to be angry and judgemental to outsiders.

I'm sorry for those who were raised with judgemental church teachings who found this Pope to be too loving and open to all. That they crave a leader who will condemn non-believers, who will preach fire and brimstone. That path of "othering" non-believers (or slightly different believers) has led down the paths of unholy violence and hate countless times. Why would someone read the Bible and history and still want that level of judgement and anger from a leader? To have people to look down on and feel superior to? For the feeling of righteous indignation and anger? What could be more unchristian than that? Than the most vile sin of pride?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

a leader who will condemn non-believers

While a leader might be kind and caring in speech, he'd also have to be subject to the rules and enforce them at some level (note that popes are "above the law" to some extent, but this is a different discussion).

Think for example of a forum like this that we are using: "rulebreakers" are banned. Imagine someone posting illegal content for example, they might be banned (and arrested) in society.

Now imagine unbelievers being in danger of being sent to prison forever (hell). Wouldn't the "kind" thing be to follow the rules yourself and set a good example for others, as well as to explain the rules clearly? Wouldn't someone who teaches people the wrong rules, that ends up getting such people in trouble, be thought to be a "bad" leader?

I think that's how Francis is viewed, he says words that are thought to be "kind", but which are ultimately harmful to people. Imagine if you were going to drive a car that was not safe to drive, and someone "kindly" instructs you that you're fine to drive it, to go ahead, and then you crash and are injured. This was not "kindness" then; instead, the person could have "kindly" warned such a person not to drive such a dangerous car.

Francis seemed to consistently speak and do bizarre things against a traditional Catholic way of life; we could discuss the matter further if it doesn't seem clearer upon further investigation.