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[–] outerspace@lemmy.zip 3 points 10 months ago (3 children)

People dissented online a lot in Russia ten years ago

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

And that grew into protests and riots, so... what's your point?

Hey guys, guess what. Authoritarianism isn't trivial to beat. All the other authoritarian states in the world aren't just full of lazy people who didn't use the one simple trick. Turns out both propaganda works and a lot of people are actually scared of being murdered or sent to a gulag.

But again, you get none of that if you try to skip the first steps.

[–] outerspace@lemmy.zip 1 points 10 months ago

Yeah that's my point too

[–] newfie@lemmy.ml -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If the conclusion is that a revolution is necessary then protests and riots are obviously insufficient. Which means that posting is not the correct path, particularly because it seems to be very lacking in building irl community, though it is effective at convincing posters that their engagement is "doing something". It isn't, aside from enriching tech oligarchs through their attentional engagement

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Reread the comment, because you've entirely missed the point.

[–] newfie@lemmy.ml -1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

If the goal is to simply build towards protests and riots then that is a foolish goal because protests and riots are insufficient

If the goal is to build something larger than that, then different methods are required

[–] Lightor@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

This guy has no idea what nuance is.

The Boxers lead a rebellion in China and failed horribly, accelerating the very thing they were trying to stop. Guess rebellings is bad too.

What a bad faith argument.

[–] outerspace@lemmy.zip 1 points 10 months ago

I dissented too and then just left the country for good.

[–] outerspace@lemmy.zip 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I don't think it means it is bad, it could just do nothing, but dissenting online is the easiest nothing you could do

[–] Lightor@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

This is an example of where it didn't do nothing, it actually made things much worse.

Dissenting online is, believe it or not, how people become aware of issues and know they're not alone in how they feel. It's a precursor to actual events, like we've seen.

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

putin is still in power, so...

[–] outerspace@lemmy.zip 1 points 10 months ago

That's my point