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In theory, the experts at the Elon Musk–helmed Department of Government Efficiency are reviewing federal-government operations and getting rid of “waste, fraud, and abuse,” along with any policies inconsistent with Donald Trump’s directives, in order to reduce federal budget deficits and public borrowing. By now, it’s clear there isn’t much actual “reviewing” going on. Instead, DOGE is following the Silicon Valley model of “moving fast and breaking things,” hoping to strip the bureaucracy down to the studs and then let Trump’s people figure out what’s next. DOGE is relying heavily on stealth and terror to put the fear of God, or of Musk, in nearly every federal employee or contractor, good, bad, brilliant, lazy, or indifferent. There’s no telling how much productive work for the American people is not being performed as the public sector reels from the chaos DOGE has deliberately induced.

So is all this disorder, distraction, and pain worth it? Musk’s own claims of likely DOGE “savings” have steadily dropped from his original (and hallucinatory) $2 trillion estimate to today’s $150 billion. But more important, is the bigger object of slowing the growth of federal spending being achieved? According to a new and damning report from The Wall Street Journal, the answer is an emphatic “no”:

Federal spending is higher since President Trump took office even as the Department of Government Efficiency slashes contracts, cuts jobs and ends diversity programs.

A Wall Street Journal analysis of daily financial statements issued by the Treasury Department found government spending since the inauguration is $154 billion more than in the same period in 2024 during the administration of former President Joe Biden.

That’s partially because one big chunk of federal spending, for interest due on existing debt, obviously can’t be cut. And other big chunks, including Social Security and Medicare benefits, have been placed off-limits to Musk for the time being and have automatic spending escalators built in. Defense spending, another big chunk, is an area in which Team Trump most definitely wants to spend more. But even where DOGE has been very active, the results are not impressive:

Federal salary payments are $2.8 billion higher than a year ago in part because of a Biden-approved 2% pay raise in January. Additionally, thousands of other employees who took buyout offers remain salaried through September.

There is a chance that the buyout offers actually increased salary costs this year, said Martha Gimbel, executive director and co-founder of the left-of-center Budget Lab at Yale. Some employees who had planned to retire or leave the federal government may have instead accepted a buyout and remained on payroll.

In a section of the report entitled “Small DOGE Wins,” the Journal has some revealing data on how DOGE does wring dollars from the deep state:

Spending by the Transportation Security Administration nearly flatlined for several weeks in February and March. Since Trump took office, the agency spent $22 million less in part by delaying spending on new uniforms, as well as curtailing travel and training costs, said Joe Shuker, a regional vice president for the American Federation of Government Employees TSA Council 100. In March, the Department of Homeland Security canceled the union contract that protected TSA airport security workers’ benefits.

A TSA spokesman said spending is also down because of a pause in paying invoices until a system for reviewing them is in place.

So DOGE disrupted the agency responsible for keeping air travel safe and efficient by (a) abrogating an existing employment contract and (b) not letting TSA pay its bills. That’s what, in practice, “a pause in paying invoices,” which is happening in a lot of other federal agencies too, really means. Uncle Sam is welching on contracts and stiffing creditors. What a great example of genius management! And with such impressive results!

The more we watch DOGE, the clearer it becomes that reduced federal spending and budget deficits aren’t the point (recall that the administration is demanding a $5 trillion increase in the debt limit to accommodate its tax-cut agenda). The object of all this chaos and cruelty is political and cultural, not economic or budgetary. It is to turn the federal government into a terrorized instrument of Trump’s will with salaries and fat federal contracts being freed up to reward MAGA loyalists, who in turn have the opportunity to enjoy the torment and ruination of their presumed enemies in the public sector. Forget about “savings.” As Adam Serwer once said about Trump’s immigration policies, “The cruelty is the point.”

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 day ago (4 children)

The goal wasn't to reduce spending ... the goal was to destroy and at the very least disrupt the system so that rich wealthy oligarchs can run free

[–] [email protected] 2 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

They're already free. Wtf do they want? Literally if they destroy society they just end up completely alone and miserable. Like self fulfilling prophecy bullshit, just go to therapy you dumb fucks!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

They're hungry ghosts. They have no goals beyond an ever present "more" that can never be filled.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Again, therapy. Get to the root of that. Everyone has that to some extent, it's just normal people when they find themselves at a low point choose drugs, sex, food to spiral out of control with.

These fuckers are playing Westworld with our lives, and when they go into a spiral they want to bring us all with them

[–] [email protected] 2 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

The root of problem is the very thing that made them billionaires in the first place; people don't become billionaires by accident. This level of wealth requires relentless grinding and grifting and stealing and conniving, they can't get to the root of the problem without confronting their class status. They are just following the mindset that made them successful to its logical conclusion.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah Daddy issues. That is learned behavior. They need therapy. And let's not lump grinding with that other shit. They may not have been born billionaires, but they were all born into some level of comfort. There are no rags to riches tech bros.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

The grindset psychopathy is still part of it. They're born rich, but they get richer. Don't underestimate your enemies.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

That's not really grinding though. Grinding is when you do what you have to do to survive. Rich people getting richer, and still having an insatiable appetite for power and money is just a maladaptive attempt to feel more secure and in control while dissociating from personal and emotional issues they never learned how to properly handle.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago

Grinding is sacrificing your life for money: time, health, social relations, happiness, comfort, whatever it takes. Obviously when we do it we are just engaged in a necessary evil, we don't love it the way these hungry ghosts do.

A normal rich person could just live off of passive income and never work, but hungry ghosts don't do that. They work a hundred+ hours a week and still take their work home with them and string themselves out on uppers to do even more work. They don't just grind, they have grindset. It's a lifestyle, a badge of honor, an ethos, a religion. They're freaks.

The funny thing is they don't even do that much useful work. They're just """busy"""

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yep. Tear down the systems that have been used to keep them in check. Stop paying taxes. Go back to feudalism.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 22 hours ago

Under feudalism the power is held within the family bloodline and exchanged through marriage.

These supposed technofuedalists have no plans to ever give up power to their children, they "plan" to live forever. That's not even feudalism, it's something stranger.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Because feudal lords pay tributes to their king instead of taxes?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Yes, but in return they can to whatever they want. As long as they keep in line with the king.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

Partly, I think another part of it is to destroy system that, while having flaws, for the most part works.

Then it will be much easier to just remove them in the future, "why are we paying X billion a year for this when it doesn't even work?"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Which they said in the body of the post…