Cool well this sub is called "fuck cars", not "fuck everything that's not a pedal-powered bicycle."

Like sorry, but you're arguing against something that just hasn't been said.

Cars are bad for motorbikes too. Bikes are still way better than cars.

But also, walkability and bicycle friendly infrastructure isn't out of the reach of south east asian countries. That's not a feature of wealthy countries - like I said, it's very cheap.

I don't have the details to hand, but usually when poorer nations have bad infrastructure, it's mainly down to structural adjustment policies stopping them from investing in their own people's welfare to keep them more desparate and easier to exploit as cheap labour.

Anti-car people in general are going to want to end poverty in general, which means the squalid conditions of a lot of these places would change. It's not a matter of changing one thing and leaving literally every other variable untouched. Anti-car advocacy is part of a wider a holistic change in society.

Like I've spent time in Ho Chi Minh City, and yeah, the place is a sea of motorbikes. It's a health & aafety disaster. But it's a flat city. There's nothing to say bicycles couldn't be used there.