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One side are literal fascists and the other is not. Nothing else matters compared to that.
Why did the Biden regime give $18B to Israel to help murder Palestinian civilians?
Can you answer for any of Obama's equally vicious war crimes?
Trump and his fascist goons are worse. Period. End of discussion.
Biden was the one who first proposed ethnically cleansing the Gazan population.
Do you think Biden is the prime minister of Israel?
We're talking in an American context here. Don't try to deflect.
The only deflection is pretending that what is happening in Gaza is Biden's idea and not a continuation of 70 years of policy held by both parties.
"[Supporting Israel] is the best $3 billion investment we make. Were there not an Israel, the United States of America would have to invent an Israel to protect her interests in the region.”
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/joe-biden-1986-israel/
“I can only say that the friendship that we have for this nation, the respect and the admiration we have for the people of this nation, their courage, their tenacity, their firmness in the face of very great odds, is one that makes us proud to stand with Israel, as we have in the past in times of trouble.”
https://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/news/this-week-in-jewish-history--united-states-president-richard-nixon-becomes-first-american-president-to-visit-israel
"In the Middle East, in particular, a strong, credible America remains the best guarantor of Israel's integrity and survival as a free nation."
Ronald Reagan 1982
https://www.reaganfoundation.org/ronald-reagan/quotes/a-strong-credible-america-remains-the-best-guarantor
You fucking baby
Go ahead, tell me how Trump and the Republicans are better than the Democrats. I'm sure any explanation you give won't make it glaringly obvious don't belong to any minority groups.
Who said anything about the Republicans being better?
One side are literal fascists and the other is the former's enables.
FTFY
both sides are literally fascist. one is just covert about it.
You really should look up the definition of fascist, because you are using it wrong.
Which parts of the definition don't they meet?
Let's go with Umberto Eco's definition since it is well known and it is numbered for easy reference.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur-Fascism#Overview
The only part that might apply to Democrats is #6.
2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 13, and 14 all apply to the Democrats
How so?
From Wikipedia:
Democrats are right-wing, but not far-right. Democrats are not authoritarian or ultranationalist, Democrats are not characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, or belief in a natural social hierarchy. Democrats are not opposed to democracy, egalitarianism, or liberalism.
Democrats are most definitely authoritarian and Ultranationalist. They are also hugely militarist and autocratic, as well as holding a strong belief in hierarchy. They're also opposed to democracy and egalitarianism.
"Authoritarianism is a political system characterized by the rejection of political plurality, the use of strong central power to preserve the political status quo, and reductions in democracy, separation of powers, civil liberties, and the rule of law."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarianism
Democrats do not reject political plurality.
Democrats do not reduce democracy (rather they increase it by defending voting rights).
Democrats protect the separation of powers, civil liberties, and the rule of law.
Democrats do not fit the definition of nationalism, let alone ultranationalism.
They do not hold strong beliefs in hierarchy, oppose democracy, or oppose egalitarianism. That's just an outright lie.
guys, do i tell him?
Yea so this is why I support third parties. Dems need to be better than "not fascist"
I love how 3% third parties with no chance of upending either party are super effective at killing specifically non-conservative campaigns AND helping checkers-players feel smug faster. Take a bow for being part of today's problem.
Hows it feel to simp for a party that can't get a 3% advantage on donald fucking Trump? If that was our only option and we are effectively voting at gunpoint then there never was any "democracy" to protect.
I love how democrats with no interest in catering to their base of voters are super effective at preventing third party and progress candidates from even getting on the ballot or in front of voters, so you can sit there keep saying they have no chance of winning. I love how liberals will excuse voting for the genocidal maniacs you're convinced are your only option because you're comfortable enough under this system that you're willing to work within it and turn your cheek to all of the violence it commits at home and abroad.
You only care when the genocide comes to your front door, what about your fucking neighbors who are getting evicted and thrown out of their homes because their housing is too valuable to somebody else's monetary interests to just let them live there in peace? What about the homeless, the working poor, the food insecure, the largest prison population on the planet who coincidentally are legal to use as slave labor? Are they not worth fighting for as long as you aren't the one on the streets, working for starvation wages, or in prison? In 20 years, are you going to get a "progressive" in office that will offer platitudes about actually treating those people like human beings as they do next to nothing about it? Capitalism requires us to live under the threat of homelessness, of imprisonment, of starvation. Our government is completely captured by capitalists who will not allow you to vote this away, because without this level of coercion their system will collapse. All they have to do is make you believe you are not being coerced, and if anyone is then they deserve it actually, and that is precisely the role played by our two parties.
A better world is possible, but it sure as hell isn't going to come about through any "solution" sold to us by those who collect vast power and profit within the world as it is. THAT is today's problem, the refusal to recognize where power lies and what interests it has. Not the third party voters who already see the system for what it is and always has been. Not the ones who are struggling to bring an end to this system that is designed such that its only material interest is in finding new ways to remove our rights and boosting candidates who will carry that out.
Feels better than simping for a party that can't get 3% of the votes in the first place
Reading isn't your strong suit, is it?
The system as it stands does not support third parties and Democrats are the only hope we have of changing that system without massive bloodshed and suffering.
Thus helping a facist wins. Great move.
So long as we are an FPTP system with the current 2 options it's just shooting the non-fascist option in the foot for no reason. Gotta keep non-fascist around so you can actually have a chance at fixing things without getting gulaged.
Both parties are fascist
Objectively false
Nazi party vs Nazi collaborator party. Different, but both deserve the gallows.
Genocide apologist