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Donald Trump's "Peace Deal" is meant to give Russia everything they want (ponder.cat)

submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Dude... bravo, man, for making the effort, I guess. This is actually pretty impressive.

The US was never an honest ally to Ukraine, they were only interested in offloading weapons onto them and bogging down Russia

Absolutely correct.

they were never prepared to help in a way that would actually lead to Ukraine getting it’s lost territory back

All the blue is Ukraine's lost territory they got back with the West's help. There's also Kursk.

Ukraine should have never given up their nukes, promises are only words

Probably true.

they never should have trusted western countries promising them security to begin with

Did Western countries promise them security? That's the whole controversy about them joining NATO. For some reason, it is a globe-spanning crisis for Russia if NATO does offer them security, were they to be invaded, instead of just no-strings-attached weapons and a hearty pat on the back for good luck. Wonder why that's a big issue.

I feel like this phrasing is, maybe, an incredibly artful dodge, inserted into the middle of talking about the Budapest Memorandum to make it sound like any part whatsoever of the betrayal of that agreement came from any source other than Russia, Russia, Russia. Maybe I'm reading too much in, though.

Ukraine having nukes might be the only scenario where an independent Ukraine doesn’t end up losing territory to Russia

Probably true. They're working on it. Doesn't that kind of thing bother you? Wouldn't it be better to give them conventional assistance to the extent they actually need, and allow them to counterattack without all this nail-biting about how it would be ever so rude and we don't really care to that extent about dead Ukrainian soldiers and civilians? So they can win the fucking war and we can all go back to our lives?

The only thing Trump has done that Harris wouldn’t have is this minerals for protection deal.

I saved this one for last. I'm going to just sit and ponder at it, in silent contemplation.

Like I say, it's pretty impressive. You've combined true statements that are sort of in the neighborhood of what you're trying to prove, unrelated assertions, and absolute bald-faced earnest fabrications, into a pretty passable imitation of something that makes sense.