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If you think it would have panned out differently under Harris, I have a bridge to sell you. She would have not have had the influence to get Ukraine into NATO even if she wanted to, what is she going to do? Kick out Hungary? The only thing Trump has done that Harris wouldn't have is this minerals for protection deal. The US was never an honest ally to Ukraine, they were only interested in offloading weapons onto them and bogging down Russia, they were never prepared to help in a way that would actually lead to Ukraine getting it's lost territory back. Ukraine should have never given up their nukes, promises are only words, they never should have trusted western countries promising them security to begin with, Ukraine having nukes might be the only scenario where an independent Ukraine doesn't end up losing territory to Russia.
Dude... bravo, man, for making the effort, I guess. This is actually pretty impressive.
Absolutely correct.
All the blue is Ukraine's lost territory they got back with the West's help. There's also Kursk.
Probably true.
Did Western countries promise them security? That's the whole controversy about them joining NATO. For some reason, it is a globe-spanning crisis for Russia if NATO does offer them security, were they to be invaded, instead of just no-strings-attached weapons and a hearty pat on the back for good luck. Wonder why that's a big issue.
I feel like this phrasing is, maybe, an incredibly artful dodge, inserted into the middle of talking about the Budapest Memorandum to make it sound like any part whatsoever of the betrayal of that agreement came from any source other than Russia, Russia, Russia. Maybe I'm reading too much in, though.
Probably true. They're working on it. Doesn't that kind of thing bother you? Wouldn't it be better to give them conventional assistance to the extent they actually need, and allow them to counterattack without all this nail-biting about how it would be ever so rude and we don't really care to that extent about dead Ukrainian soldiers and civilians? So they can win the fucking war and we can all go back to our lives?
I saved this one for last. I'm going to just sit and ponder at it, in silent contemplation.
Like I say, it's pretty impressive. You've combined true statements that are sort of in the neighborhood of what you're trying to prove, unrelated assertions, and absolute bald-faced earnest fabrications, into a pretty passable imitation of something that makes sense.
So we went from "no, trump would never do that" to "Harris would have done it anyway"?
If you want to educate me because "I'm so fucking stupid", please inform me on what Harris would have actually done to help Ukraine or give them anything substantively different than what Trump is offering.
You can't educate the unwilling, and you've stated your intent to remain unwilling plenty of times. Why should anyone waste time with you? I'd be your kids say similar things, but maybe behind your back.
Give examples to this claim.
Why did you waste your time writing this?
What a weird and uncomfortable thing to say to someone.