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[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 days ago (10 children)

having kids is a right that should be earned. full assessment and parenthood training course required.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

While I agree on the surface, the stark reality is that this would inevitably be used as a eugenics program. Imagine the current “speedrunning fascism low %” administration having the legal authority to decide who does (and more importantly, who doesn’t) get a parent permit.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

I begrudgingly agree with this point. The government shouldn't have any control over procreation.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

absolutely. which is why this is just a fantasy and a dream, not something thats actually feasible.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

People will say they hate eugenics but then just argue for the same concept under a different term. Anyone who agrees with this should read Eugenics and Other Evils by G.K. Chesterton, where he criticizes and refutes the idea of giving the state authority of who can have kids when.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Agree, but I also see how it can never be implemented. For all the good I think it would do, it would immediately be warped to some sort of ethnic cleansing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

probably, yeah. not to mention it would further decrease the rate at which children are born and it is already too low in most places.

sad indeed

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (2 children)

by assessment i dont mean check if theyre the right race. i meant a mental checkup to see if theyre even fit to be a parent. genetic and ethnic cleansing has nothing to do with that.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

eugenics was also aimed at all disabled people. we were one of the first people ever targeted by eugenicists and nazis

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

So what's the criteria: adherence to a socially acceptable set of values and ideals? Full development of mental capacities? Literacy tests? Psycho analysis? Eugenics extends beyond physical phenotypical characteristics.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

How about "you can have kids when the unborn child consents to being born"?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

What happens if unqualified people get pregnant?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

tell them to take the assessment and training course or else child protective services come knocking

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

congrats you just discovered progressive eugenics

[–] [email protected] -5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Your takes are way too mild guys.. Yet again, I will go even further:

I am an antinatalist:

  • Having kids is unethical in all cases. It is always an egocentric act. You may have many reasons to have kids, but none are for the good of the child. It cannot be, since the child does not exist yet. Hence, it is egotistical.

It is always better to not exist.

"Better never to have been", by Benatar, should be mandatory reading.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 3 days ago
[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago

Yes, Yeeeeeeeeees this one