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The fifth amendment only requires due process for capital crimes. Being in the country illegally is not a capital crime, and being deported does not permanently bar you from re-entry.
I'm not sure you understand what the word nor means.
Deporting someone isn't depriving them of life or liberty unless they are certain to be incarcerated the moment they arrive. Which, I suppose, would be the case for those folks that were shipped off to El Salvador, but for the majority of deportees, it isn't.
There are people here seeking asylum for threats of gang violence against them. Depriving someone of their safe refuge is depriving someone of liberty. Do you think those people should be sent back to their countries?
Well it doesn’t matter what you think because that already happened.
Seeking asylum isn’t illegal, and those with a pending petition are not considered illegal immigrants. Until a decision is made, they have temporary protected status.
Crossing the border without permission OTH IS illegal and subject to deportation. It’s not that difficult.
You realize part of seeking asylum also can involve crossing the border without permission and is codified in law?
How many of those deported by Trump did have a pending petition for asylum?
You didn't answer my question.
Source?
How am I supposed to answer your question without having verified your claim first?
Most of those deported were members of well-known criminal gangs renowned for their brutality and penchant for murder. Do you care about any of their victims? If not, don't come to me with a sob story about human rights.
Well, if you're such a strong believer in due process, what do you think about Biden letting all of these people in without following the proper immigration procedures? Who do you think is more likely to enter the country illegally, honest people or those who are already criminals?
I appreciate your optimism.
Dozens so far, apparently: https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/trump-deported-238-venezuelans-el-salvador-dozens-have-active-asylum-cases-2025-04-01/
This doesn't include the random hair dresser or the guy who they admit shouldn't have been deported at all and wasn't illegal but won't get him back anyway
So, about 10% then
Shockingly incompetent and.bad, a violation of human rights, and something the ICC may eventually arrest him over. It's indefinite slavery in El Salvador and possible organ trafficking. It's literal concentration camps for the indigenous people who were here in this land thousands of years before the rest of us. It's bad, and I curse you to be treated exactly how they are treated. May their fate be tied to yours. Better get to work freeing them so it doesn't happen to you.
Out of 238 deportees, 27 have claimed to have a pending asylum petition. That's approx. 11.35%, so I'm not that far off.
And I will say that that if their petitions are granted, I hope they'll will be released from prison and re-admitted into the US, preferably with some sort of recompensation for unjust treatment. The rest of them can stay where they are.
Whatever, it's your curse. It's intrinsically tied to all of them and you. If it's not enough for the curse, you'll suffer their fate
Sure until they decide you no longer have your temporary protected status. It doesn't even matter if you're a citizen, you have an autism awareness tattoo? Have fun in El Salvador
A petition for asylum does not HAVE to be accepted. Once it's been denied, you do indeed lose your status, and you're generally expected to leave the country.
But tell me, please, how many of those who have been deported by Trump had a pending petition for asylum that was ignored?
Tell me, how do they determine if you actually are a citizen or not without due process?
There are two ways to become a citizen in the United States:
Both are attested by government certificates. Do you really think the government does not have access to those records? If someone is not found in either of those, what are the chances that they have a valid claim to citizenship?
Do you not know what "due process" is, then?
The government checking a database for records and ensuring those are correct and in line with the information the accused has (via a judicial body), IS DUE PROCESS.
What are the chances? This isn't the fucking casino, it's people's legal rights, which are also YOUR legal rights, and they are proved by evidence, not odds.
Not giving someone due process, means they don't have to look at those government documents (and they haven't been in several cases and admitted it). That means YOU, they can refuse to look at your ID or say it is fake, refuse to let you prove it in court- THAT'S DUE PROCESS
NONE of this, and I can't emphasize this enough, is about these people's actual legal citizenship status or not, so your first two points are mind-numbingly bad. Whether you get your day in court is how we determine ANYTHING in this country so we MUST grant it, or else they own your body and self and can just kidnap you anywhere, literally.
You're a fucking idiot.
Okay, so when ICE goes to arrest people for whom they have no immigration records, they've already done their due process then, haven't they. Glad we agree here.
No, that's NOT due process.
Just admit you don't know the phrase.
You just said that it was. I literally quoted you.
No, you didn't.
That's not what due process is. Please, get lead chelation therapy asap
Show me where I misquoted you.
I've already thoroughly explained. It's not due process to "check in the database ahead of time" for citizenship status. That's not what due process is or how it works. They can just CLAIM they did that for everyone, including you, and then you have NO RECOURSE to fix it or change it (THAT'S due process....!)
We doin law by statistical probability? What are the odds their kid flushed their papers down the toilet that morning. They just SOL?
There's a process for determining citizenship and "that tattooed guy with brown skin looks illegal. Send him to the torture slave camp" aint it champ. He even had his papers. Try again.
If the kid flushed down the papers they'll still be the government database, won't they.
You dodged the actual point tho. people are owed due process and the presumption of innocence and snap jusgements are instead being made on the color of people's skin. And again, that football player they sent to el salvador had a fucking greencard, he was a legal resident.
this isnt nazi germany pal, you dont just go up to people and demand their papers and then send them to a fucking camp whether they have them or not.
And while I'm at it, suppose someone is born in the US but not in a hospital. They'd have the claim but not the papers to show. Fuck 'em?
Believe it or not, there is a process for that.
https://www.usbirthcertificates.com/articles/how-to-get-birth-certificate-for-babies-born-outside-hospital
https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladviceofftopic/comments/195i7tv/how_do_children_not_born_in_hospitals_get_birth/
cool great, but those are voluntary processes and the birthright is a right by birth (5head), not by paperwork.
Birthright is not an excuse for not filing the required paperwork.
It's not required. You have birthright from being born. This question was settled in 1898:
UNITED STATES v. WONG KIM ARK
That 14th amendment is unqualified. The paper is a bureaucratic expediency.
I invite you to try to find case law that reaches the opposite conclusion.
Can't tell if you're a lying fascist or uninformed