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    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    I just believe that wanting widespread use while being against simplification/abstraction is an incompatible view.

    And I believe people should be able/willing to learn if they want to adopt a new system, especially one that allows so much freedom the standardization you seek is antithetical to it's entire ethos. Just by the existence of both KDE and GNOME you're already "abstracting" things and making it "more difficult" than "you will suck Microsoft's one DE and like it," and that's just two of the DEs to choose, you'd rather there only be GNOME "because it's simpler and will help new people learn?" Well too bad, I like KDE and I like that you're free to choose GNOME. "Thinking people should switch from X to Y is incompatible unless you make Y as much like X as possible," isn't it, we're saying "X is bad, Y is better, try doing things Y's way." Making X like Y isn't "doing it Y's way," it's just windows with extra steps.

    That's true, but not all learning is equal.

    And not all people learn the same way, you need the pretty pictures, some don't.

    whether you're in Japan or in the US, you know a trashcan is somewhere you discard stuff,

    Sure, but beyond the trash icon, if you have to compress a file (or do like 99% of things including switch system languages), using the GUI doesn't help if your computer is stuck in Japanese. C'mon dude, Kanji is random symbols regardless of if you're in GUI or CLI, absoLUTELY not independant of language, even Romanji you'd be fucked and you know it.

    (or whoever ykwim)

    (or whoever ykwim)

    And my experience was mildly negative,

    Read: it isn't for me

    most of my friends prefer Linux

    Read: It's me not linux

    People love learning and are constantly seeking new things to learn

    some

    People just would rather learn out of passion than necessity.

    Well tbh, welcome to the real world, sometimes you "need" to learn some shit. And if you decide you "need" control over your laptop and to break the shackles of Microsoft without spending $45000 to trade Microsoft's spyware for apple's, then you "need" to learn how to use Linux or BSD, because short of TempleOS that's all that's left. Sucks bro, is what it is.

    For a lot of people the computer is nothing more than a medium to do what they want,

    Most people never touch anything bigger than their phone outside of work. Let em. If they want freedom they can always choose to learn, they can, they just don't want to.

    they don't care about how it works, nor do they want to learn

    Hey that's my line. And they barely need to know "how it works," they don't know "how windows works," half of them don't even know what the registry is even if they've used CMD before (looks an awful lot like CLI now that we're mentioning it, and gParted, the GNOME GUI tool, works a lot better than diskpart I'll tell you what) yet they use it just fine. They just need to be able to get by, same as purty-gui'd windows.

    Btw, it's fine if Linux just stays being a niche OS for programmers and tech enthusiasts,

    Hell it isn't if you're not scared, I know rednecks in trailers and grandmas that use it.

    I just find it annoying how every time people point out that Linux and its communities can be newb unfriendly

    That's fair, I bet they are unfriendly when you show up saying "linux sucks I don't want to learn make it work" which I for some reason feel probably describes you fairly well. They were always nice to me (short of literally one user on c/linux.ml, chef_koch, but he was banned 4y ago), probably because I was approaching it with a better attitude and a willingness to learn rather than animosity, but who knows.

    No the newbs are just too lazy

    Some are, you are. I was never told that as a noob showing a willingness to learn. Perhaps this problem is not divorced from "you." "If you meet 5 assholes in a day, maybe you're the asshole."

    Lastly, I just like to point out that in this thread OP said GUI are more intuitive, to which you...

    And plenty of people learn to garden. Gardening isn't for everyone. Stick to your iphone.

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

    Can you not make a comment without misconstruing my arguments? Like half of your points are arguing against things I never said.

    And I believe people should be able/willing to learn if they want to adopt a new system

    I never at any point said people can't/shouldn't be allowed to learn Linux.

    you'd rather there only be GNOME

    I never at any point said Gnome should be the only DE, and I've no idea how you could even make that logic leap.

    And not all people learn the same way, you need the pretty pictures, some don't.

    I never said I needed GUIs to do shit, in fact I said I used the terminal and didn't have problems with it.

    Read: It's me not linux

    If by "it's me" you mean that I consider swapping my distro every month to be deranged behaviour while my friends don't, then yeah, guilty as charged.

    Well tbh, welcome to the real world, sometimes you "need" to learn some shit.

    And how Linux works isn't one of them.

    and to break the shackles of Microsoft without spending $45000 to trade Microsoft's spyware for apple's, then you "need" to learn how to use Linux or BSD, because short of TempleOS that's all that's left. Sucks bro, is what it is.

    Or maybe Linux could afford to be more intuitive and user friendly, no idea why you insist in this false dichotomy.

    they don't know "how windows works," half of them don't even know what the registry is even if they've used CMD before

    That is my point, yes.

    Hell it isn't if you're not scared, I know rednecks in trailers and grandmas that use it.

    And yet it doesn't even make up a tenth of the market, I wonder if there is any relation.

    you show up saying "linux sucks

    Another lie, huh? I never at any point said Linux sucks, I just said that I had bad experiences with it. But I suppose when you tie so much of your ego to an OS you can't tell the difference.

    That's fair, I bet they are unfriendly when you show up saying "linux sucks I don't want to learn make it work" which I for some reason feel probably describes you fairly well.

    I never even interacted with any Linux community before today. My comment on this community was from what I observed how MULTIPLE people were treated. But go off, maybe add pedophilia and puppy killing to my projected crimes to further justify how you're treating me.

    probably because I was approaching it with a better attitude and a willingness to learn rather than animosity, but who knows.

    Literally where (in this thread, I was definitely showing animosity to some guy in another thread) have I shown animosity?

    You don't even know why I stopped using Linux or how I behaved back when I used it. You're literally projection your own version of me so you can attack me for daring to not have a less than perfect experience with your favorite OS.

    Some are, you are. I was never told that as a noob showing a willingness to learn.

    And here comes you being rude, assuming shit about me, dismissing my experience and misconstruing my arguments. But thanks for proving my point, I guess.

    "If you meet 5 assholes in a day, maybe you're the asshole."

    If all of them come from the same community and nowhere else, I'd rather believe the community is the problem, but thanks for the suggestion.

    And plenty of people learn to garden.

    And yet most people don't.

    Gardening isn't for everyone.

    WOW REALLY??? IT'S ALMOST AS IF THAT WAS MY POINT, NO WAY!!!

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

    I never at any point said people can't/shouldn't be allowed to learn Linux.

    Right, you think it should be less like linux and more like windows, but you still want windowslinux available, I get it.

    how you could even make that logic leap.

    Because windows has their fancy GUI because

    A) Forcing people to use the same DE is "easier" and

    B) Billions of corporate dollars.

    The only way linux could be the same, is if there was one standardized distro with one DE, which is bad.

    I never said I needed GUIs to do shit, in fact I said I used the terminal and didn't have problems with it.

    You're arguing for another guy, you take up his arguments too. Besides, "then quit complaining."

    If by "it's me" you mean that I consider swapping my distro every month to be deranged behaviour while my friends don't, then yeah, guilty as charged.

    Trying new things? MADNESS!

    I've been running Fedora for 4y straight now..

    And how Linux works isn't one of them.

    If you want to run linux, yeah it kinda is.

    Or maybe Linux could afford

    Well give them Microsoft's budget then.

    You're (or whoever ykwim) just not willing to do the work to switch to "new thing," and that's fine, it's not for you (of course Microsoft will hide the control panel you're used to and make you learn a new gui way to change some setting that they keep changing back every update, for instance, but at least it's incremental I suppose.) But not everything has to be for everyone, all is good! But it isn't because "linux hard" nor "cli bad" nor "they are too fucking dumb to learn a few commands," it's because they don't want to, people want what is familiar and many think they're done learning the second school ends.

    No no, that was my point, you said "umm akshully, Mint touched my nono square." FOH dude.