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[–] lath@lemmy.world 82 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I don't understand the need to differentiate between barbarians. You are either a citizen of Rome or you're not.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Most Romans weren’t citizens though.

[–] lath@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Yes, yes. Quite the sad state of affairs. However, loyalty to Rome is non-negotiable.

[–] Sergio@slrpnk.net 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well there are the non-citizens who are allies, the non-citizens who you might want to conquer someday but not right now, and the non-citizens who delenda est.

[–] lath@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Yes, barbarians the whole lot of them.

[–] match@pawb.social 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

you mean they're either 漢人 or not

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

有没有匈奴?

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There’s not really anything resembling an organized Japan until way after the collapse of the Western Roman Empire. You have petty kingdoms that send some tribute to China.

While Caesar was getting ganked Han China had plumbing.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I mean, the cloaca maxima dates back to before the historical record starts, so plumbing's not the fight you want to pick with Rome. Ceaser did get good and dead, though.

Rice Rome is cool too. I wish I could find a good English-language introduction that doesn't feel like a copy-paste of whatever chronicle.