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[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 21 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Dems are just a bunch of empty chairs.

Sucks, but it's also an opportunity. Plenty of space for progressives to move in and take over.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

It's mostly the consultant class morons that suck. Both parties used to be full of consultants until 2010-2015 with the rise of the tea party / trumpism. The GOP kicked most of the consultants to the curb, but the Democrats are still running campaigns like it's 2008 and the voters give a shit about the color tie the candidate is wearing.

Harris would've been a good candidate had she not been market researched to death.

I obviously don't agree with TDS-having morons that believe that all experts are useless, but expertise should really be evaluated every once in a while. It's clear to me from my field that professional management and consultants are often goldbricking idiots with impressive resumes and few actual professional accomplishments.

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] MisterOwl@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Fuckin A, West Wing. We could only wish to have people in the white house like them. They're not perfect, but at least they care and they aren't literally evil.

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 2 points 11 months ago

Yeah. On the other hand, it may have done some damage to the left by portraying a fantasy world where explaining looks like winning… which is, very obviously, not how real-world politics works.

[–] grumuk@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Unfortunately this just isn't true. It's not the consultant class that made AOC cry on the floor of the House for not wanting to fund Israel's iron dome, it was Nancy Pelosi. The whole infrastructure is corrupt with wall street money. It wasn't the consultant class that disciplined each every squad member into toeing the party line, not coming out guns blazing for progressive candidates and calling for primaries against corporate Dems, it's the party leadership.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

They also suck. I'll give you that. It's all things at once: the policy sucks, the leadership sucks, and the messaging sucks. However, the leaders aren't immune to the ouroboros nature of the consultancy within the Democratic party.

Some of the leaders obviously internalized all of the marketing feedback. By the time Hillary Clinton did her final lap on the stage, she was clearly little more than 30 years of political marketing advice in a pantsuit.

You're right though, basically everyone involved is a sellout and that's the real root of the problem.