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[–] nulluser@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)
[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's still speculation. You can't provide evidence for Putin doing a thing in support of somebody else doing it.

[–] Bacano@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Chances that a US 3 letter agency has conducted clandestine operations within the country (aimed at misleading it's own populace) in the past 5 years are pretty much a certainty.

Speculation is pretty much all one can do for these because the evidence is deliberately and professionally hidden. Such evidence may never be available to the public and usually takes time to surface.

[–] BussyGyatt@feddit.org 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

While I tend to agree that the possibility exists (motive, means and opportunity align); are you suggesting that the absence of evidence here is a reason to believe the speculation?

[–] Bacano@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I see what you mean. I would explain my logic as such:

  1. These agencies have a consistent history of misleading populaces at home and abroad, through tactics such as the one mentioned above.

  2. Part of their work is to hide/destroy evidence of falsehood.

  3. At one of the most turbulent times in decades, the chances of their clandestine participation in the way we view the world is all but assured.

So it's more of a recognition of a pattern than outright speculation. The alternative view that the US gov is not engaged in these activities domestically seems more far-fetched to me. Not impossible, just out of character.

[–] BussyGyatt@feddit.org 2 points 11 months ago

I like this explained reasoning better.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Chances that a US 3 letter agency has conducted clandestine operations within the country (aimed at misleading it's own populace) in the past 5 years are pretty much a certainty.

That's an assumption you're making and then simply declaring to be self-evident.

It is not.

Speculation is pretty much all one can do for these because the evidence is deliberately and professionally hidden. Such evidence may never be available to the public and usually takes time to surface.

And there it is, the conspiracy theorist's bread and butter.

[–] Bacano@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That’s an assumption you’re making and then simply declaring to be self-evident.

It's self evident to anyone who reads the things that have been released regarding past events.

The US government has consistently relied on misleading it's populace as a tactic. If you genuinely don't believe this and want examples to digest with an open mind, id be glad to throw some out.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If you genuinely don’t believe this and want examples to digest with an open mind, id be glad to throw some out.

Only if they're related to this claim.

You can't use "other things have happened" to make any damn claim you want. This is conspiracy bullshit.

[–] Bacano@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I was going to link you to a wikipedia article titled CIA controversies but took the time to name a few of the more flagrant episodes by them and the FBI which would be more interesting to learn about.

Operation north wood, midnight climax, mk ultra, project mockingbird, cointelpro, operation chaos, the church committee reports.

Reading about just a few of these should start to reveal that skepticism regarding the intent and methodology of the US gov is a valid response and not necessarily in line with 'conspiracy theory bullshit.'

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 0 points 11 months ago

The FBI has done bad things. Therefore I can claim the FBI did and does anything I want without evidence.