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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The women's section is separate from the open section specifically so that women can get their place to compete without being dominated by men's biological advantages over them. Micheal Phelps is competing in the open section, which is... Well... Open. Also please leave strawmanning to the conservatives.

[–] knightly@pawb.social 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

You missed my point.

If the argument is that unfair competition due to "biological advantages" should be reduced then I agree. Sports should be segregated by performance classes and open to all genders.

But if the point of segregating sports is to make space for women in sports, then excluding trans women is nothing more than discrimination on par with excluding black or disabled women. Trans women deserve not to have to play with the boys too.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If the argument is that unfair competition due to "biological advantages" should be reduced then I agree. Sports should be segregated by performance classes and open to all genders.

That's probably the ideal solution, but the problem is that nobody's gonna watch anything except the top leagues. I mean watching the kinda good but not really amazing people's football league just isn't an appealing prospect, unless I misunderstood what you meant by performance classes. The whole point of this debate (other than conservatives shitting on trans women anyway) is that you need a framework where:

1-trans people can compete, 2-cis women aren't unfairly disadvantaged and 3-that people would actually watch.

I'm frankly not sure such a thing exists.

[–] knightly@pawb.social 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

If we can only have two of those three then ditching the commerciality of it all would be my preference. Sports are actually worth watching when they aren't just an excuse to extract profit from professional and collegiate athletes.

Realistically, we can't have 3 in any case. Women's sports gets a tiny fraction of the viewership as it is and I don't see the inclusion or exclusion of trans women affecting those numbers much.