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[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 83 points 11 months ago (38 children)

Newsom has consistently and repeatedly fought for trans rights. I dunno why trans advocates are getting hung up on sports. I swear you guys were manipulated into digging your heels in with the dumbest position possible solely to divide and discredit the movement for equality for trans people.

It's like how the news media will ignore dozens and dozens of innocent Black men getting shot by police until there's a story of a gang member with a rap sheet a mile long who was actively trying to rape someone when police shot him, and then they'll run the story hoping that the anti-racists will rush to defend him.

Insisting on having untransitioned or partially transitioned trans women in women's sports is such an obviously stupid hill to die on. You're all playing right into their hands.

[–] yogurt@lemm.ee 28 points 11 months ago (14 children)

I don't know if you're falling for it or this is just how you feel, but Newsom was talking to Charlie Kirk who popularized the "groomers" line, calls June "groomer month" all the time and constantly talks about executing "groomers". Newsom softballed it to make it seem like Kirk just cares about sports, and repeatedly dog whistled a lot about how much he agrees with Kirk keeping it ambiguous about what exactly he agrees with.

Maybe you believe Newsom is deep down a good guy and he's just doing this to shill for right wing votes, and once you give him power he'll be normal. But right now all he's doing is telling his audience of out of touch liberals that the "I don't want to see a black pilot on my plane" guy is the kind of sensible conservative Democrats should be bipartisan with.

IMO based on how he talks and the trans bills he's vetoed as governor, Newsom is the type of liberal that likes the idea of being the big guy protecting "these poor people" from dirty rednecks, but is also extremely suspicious that all this gender shit is some kind of Tiktok trend that might get out of hand if he lets trans people have it too easy.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I think it's completely nuts that after the last 20 years and especially the last 12 years, Democrats still seem to think that compromising with the right will flip republicans voters. Gavin, my guy, they think you're literally the reincarnation of Stalin. You could gargle Trump's nuts and they'd still hate you

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

I think it’s completely nuts that after the last 20 years and especially the last 12 years, Democrats still seem to think that compromising with the right will flip republicans voters.

No they don't. They know it won't and don't care. They just love moving to the right for its own sake.

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

We're not trying to flip Republican voters. We're trying to get low-information voters to vote for us. The undecided, unaffiliated, etc. They just come out and vote based on feels.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Need to pick a candidate who's already quite conservative. Nobody believed that Harris was that because she ran on a liberal platform in 2020

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[–] stetech@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

You're all playing right into their hands.

Correct. Ask any of these people “defending” women’s sports to name a dozen non-male athletes. Ridicule them upon failure to do so.

[–] straightjorkin@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Because once you lose one right, the rest fall like domino's.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Ok then in that case you are SO fucking late to the party

[–] witnessbolt@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago

I agree with you

As someone with trans family, and that works around parents (but has no kids myself), and is very liberal personally --

From what I can tell, Gavin is speaking to how the average parent feels. They are accepting of trans people, but have some hesitations and those are coming out through this example, for one. And I mean the more liberal parents

You either need to get out there and speak to these people and work to help them get over these feelings, or you need to accept how they feel and the... yes I'm spinning this phrase... boundary they are requesting and then work within that to change their minds

Raging at them and damning candidates over it without working to actually change it is just like the Palestine voters and Kamala all over again (at least at a superficial level)

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