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Mozilla rewrites Firefox's Terms of Use after user backlash (techcrunch.com)

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[–] heavydust@sh.itjust.works -3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Mozilla was just rewording the ToS

No, because it's the first time they added a useless ToS to Firefox. The ToS is not changing, and that's the main worry, it is being created.

There was no ToS before, for 20 year and maybe more.
They don't need a ToS for Firefox only.
Its existence violates the first freedom of open-source applications: The freedom to run the program as you wish, for any purpose (aka "freedom 0").
They refuse to explain why they need one despite developers knowing fully well that it is not needed unless you're trying to do bad stuff.

Yes, something bad has changed. The whole organization was a mess but it never changed or involved Firefox. It has now and they pretend that we are too stupid or confused to understand what is happening.

If you want to stop using FF then stop

That's what I'm doing because it never was that bad. I already trusted Mozilla as much as I trusted Google, but it was fine since it never involved Firefox. I wish them good luck with their ads and AI experiments.

[–] tyler@programming.dev 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

No, because it’s the first time they added a useless ToS to Firefox. The ToS is not changing, and that’s the main worry, it is being created.

There was no ToS before, for 20 year and maybe more. They don’t need a ToS for Firefox only. Its existence violates the first freedom of open-source applications: The freedom to run the program as you wish, for any purpose (aka “freedom 0”). They refuse to explain why they need one despite developers knowing fully well that it is not needed unless you’re trying to do bad stuff.

they've had a privacy policy for years and yet that wasn't a problem? Only the ToS is a problem?

Its existence violates the first freedom of open-source applications: The freedom to run the program as you wish, for any purpose (aka “freedom 0”).

lol no it doesn't. stop making shit up.

They refuse to explain why they need one despite developers knowing fully well that it is not needed unless you’re trying to do bad stuff.

they literally did explain, in the first paragraph, why they need one. People like you just refuse to believe it.

We need a license to allow us to make some of the basic functionality of Firefox possible. Without it, we couldn’t use information typed into Firefox, for example. It does NOT give us ownership of your data or a right to use it for anything other than what is described in the Privacy Notice

[–] heavydust@sh.itjust.works -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

lol no it doesn’t. stop making shit up.

They literally restrict the usage of Firefox by applying their policies. It’s written.

We need a license to allow us to make some of the basic functionality of Firefox possible

Why are they doing stuff on my behalf instead of relying on the programming language that already does everything. That’s another lie of course. Mozilla does nothing but they pretend they do in order to get more data and credentials.

Mozilla should have no fucking role when someone uses Firefox.

And stop with the Sync crap, it has already been dealt with when the user subscribed to the service.

If you dont understand why people are pissed that a company demands any kind of overreaching control that has never existed so far, you must be working for Mozilla but it’s not very convincing.

[–] tyler@programming.dev 0 points 11 months ago

They literally restrict the usage of Firefox by applying their policies. It’s written.

They apply a license. that's how open source projects work. You said:

Its existence violates the first freedom of open-source applications: The freedom to run the program as you wish, for any purpose (aka “freedom 0”).

which is just fundamentally incorrect. go look at the GPL and look at how many restrictions there are. The same applies to every open source license. If you apply a license you by definition are restricting someone to follow that license. If you do not add a license to your project then your project is not open source and cannot be used due to how copyright laws work across the planet.

Why are they doing stuff on my behalf instead of relying on the programming language that already does everything. That’s another lie of course. Mozilla does nothing but they pretend they do in order to get more data and credentials.

what are you talking about...

Mozilla should have no fucking role when someone uses Firefox.

that's not how browsers work. go use Lynx if you want that.

And stop with the Sync crap, it has already been dealt with when the user subscribed to the service.

once again, what are you talking about? There is no subscription with Sync...

If you dont understand why people are pissed that a company demands any kind of overreaching control that has never existed so far, you must be working for Mozilla but it’s not very convincing.

Mozilla didn't demand any overreaching control, you're just incapable of understanding nuance and want to get outraged over everything.