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0. Only post socialist memes


That refers to funny image macros and means that generally videos and screenshots are not allowed. Exceptions include explicitly humorous and short videos, as well as (social media) screenshots depicting a funny situation, joke, or joke picture relating to socialist movements, theory, societal issues, or political opponents. Examples would be the classic case of humorous Tumblr or Twitter posts/threads. (and no, agitprop text does not count as a meme. Please post agitprop here)


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(Please take a look at our wiki page for the guidelines on how to actually write alternative text!)

We require alternative text (from now referred to as "alt text") to be added to all posts/comments containing media, such as images, animated GIFs, videos, audio files, and custom emojis.
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0.5.1 Style tip about abbreviations and short forms


When writing stuff like "lol" and "iirc", it's a good idea to try and replace those with their all caps counterpart

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  • ok => OK
  • lol => LOL
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  • cia => CIA
  • nato => Nato (you don't spell it when talking, right?)
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  • prc => PRC
  • etc.

Why? Because otherwise (AFAIK), screen readers will try to read them out as actually words instead of spelling them


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The only dangerous minority is the rich.


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[–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The analogy kind of falls apart since she is not limited to this guy and Chad. She's free to choose nothing at all. With Trump vs Biden, there's no viable third option, and having no president is not one of the options. So the "Trump is worse" argument becomes viable simply because you do have to choose one of them.

[–] OfCourseNot@fedia.io 1 points 2 years ago

Using the trolley problem as an analogy, if you don't pull the lever the people run over by it are not your fault but the trolley company's, but if you do pull the lever the death of the guy on the other tracks is absolutely on you.

I assume you voted for Biden last election, to avoid the trolley running over the people in that proverbial track. Congratulations, you are guilty of murdering all those Palestinian children. Now, next election, if (when) Trump wins, your vote even for Biden is what gives legitimacy to his presidency.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Continue with that analogy. What would happen if that woman had no other option. Should she choose the nice guy, the chad or object to the choice being fostered upon her and choose nobody? And if she's paired anyway with that person, should she then act as if it was her choice, or take actions to disengage from that person and destroy the system that caused these turn of events?

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

You can tactically vote for Biden to avoid Trump and still take actions to dismantle the system.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

So the woman in our scenario should decide to choose the "Nice Guy" tactically?

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

If the woman in the scenario is going to be stuck with the nice guy or Donald Trump, then yes she should tactically choose the guy who isn't an unapologetic rapist. She can influence the nice guy's behavior, and avoid the horror of Trump. She does not have to condone or accept the nice guy's bullshit behavior, and there will be a future.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No, I’m saying that your analogy breaks down.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

I don't think it does. A choice fostered upon me at the threat of violence is not a choice at all. I refuse to participate and therefore legitimize such a farce.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah nah mate. You have the right to not vote. But if you choose to exercise this right you don't get to whinge about the person elected by those who did vote.

Society is not composed of you and you alone. It is composed of many. You took yourself outta this decision but it's still being made freely by everyone else and no, it doesn't impinge on you to accept the democratic consensus of the many

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I understand that I'm living in an oppressive system enforced by violence and that my life is shaped at the threat of state violence. you don't need to reiterate that to me. It's why I'm not legitimizing it by participating in this farce of "democracy" and instead dedicate my life to changing it.

Whichever puppet is on top doesn't change all that whatsoever. Nor will your platitudes about be "accepting the democratic consensus of the many" when I don't have the alternative due to said violence.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You’re free to do nothing, but smart people choose to minimize harm when there are only bad choices in front of them.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 2 years ago

Who said I'm "doing nothing"? Voting isn't doing anything. Only actions outside the ballot matter.

[–] kashifshah@lemmy.sdf.org -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Or you could maybe take actions to fix the system. Because whatever you lot come up with after dismantling is going be worse for everybody else.

[–] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 1 points 2 years ago

object to the choice being fostered upon her and choose nobody?

do you genuinely think not voting will make neither candidate win