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Okay, but we aren't talking about men playing women's sports, we are talking about women playing women's sports.
And I was giving you an example where cis men could both win AND lose to cis women, and it would still be unfair.
Cis men are not relevant to this discussion, so the only reason to bring men up is if you think trans women are men.
They are fucking relevant, because you said that trans women need to ALWAYS beat cis women for it to be unfair.
I'm providing an example where in an even more extreme situation where cis men were involved directly, some cis men could lose and the situation would still be unfair.
So your argument that they all had to be better is false. Trans women participating in women's sports if even one of them is better because of their natural doping is an unfair situation.
You're providing an example that does not involve trans women. All you are doing is repeatedly implying that there is no physical difference between trans women and cis men, which is simply false if they are taking hormones.
And also, that was not my argument. Not in any way.
Taking hormones does not undo all of the benefits of male puberty body development. This is science that has been proven.
You simply cannot say that no trans women has an advantage, it's just false.
Given that at least some have an unfair advantage, they should not be allowed to participate in a division created specifically to avoid having to compete against that advantage.
It's that simple.
Are you going to acknowledge that was not the argument I was making?
Apparently fairness is not as important to you on a personal level.
The argument you made was that ALL trans women had to be better than Britney Griner for it to be unfair.
I countered by saying if even a single trans women, because of their male puberty development, was better than Britney Griner then it would be unfair.
The entire point of having a women's league at all is to exclude men, specifically because their bodies are vastly stronger when comparing two of the peak athletes in that sport.
I guess you're just going to continue to lie about what argument I was making. So you don't actually care about fairness at all.
Are you removed? Go back and read your own godamn comment.
No, I am not removed. I'm am still here. (I would love to know what racial slur you said that got censored.)
But you were still lying about the argument I was making and don't seem to care.
Lol, they're censoring the small R word.
If I'm not supposed to trust your argument in your original comment, then pray tell me what exactly is your arguement?
Oh I see, you're not a racial bigot, you're just an ableist bigot. Got it.
And maybe I will consider talking to you about my argument when you admit you don't actually know.
I won't be holding my breath, I'm sure you're far too busy saying bigoted things about disabled people.
You provided an argument, I tore it down, and you moved the goalposts, and now you won't even tell me where the goalposts are. Great conversation here.
At the end of the day, Trans women are going to get banned from competitive sport in the women's divisions. Which is how it should be. I wish them well in everything else they want to do in life.
Not a shock you're continuing to lie rather than admit you don't actually know what my argument was, much like it's not a shock about your being bigoted against the disabled.