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Do you think progressives understand the difference between legal and illegal immigration? (reddthat.com)

submitted 10 months ago by Kaboom@reddthat.com to c/conservative@lemm.ee

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I've seen so much confusion between the two, at first I thought it was trolls, but it's so consistent that I've begun to wonder if they actually don't understand.

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[–] karl_chungus@lemm.ee 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It’s not a theory. The current Admin’s actions have caused Navajo citizens to be detained by ICE:

https://www.facebook.com/navajonationcouncil/posts/for-immediate-releasejanuary-23-2025naabik%C3%ADy%C3%A1ti-committee-calls-on-president-nyg/1023169666512732/

What reason does ICE have to detain them if they didn’t pick them up with the intent to deport them?

[–] realcaseyrollins@thelemmy.club -2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

As the article you shared states:

Despite possessing Certificates of Indian Blood (CIBs) and state-issued IDs, several individuals have been detained or questioned by ICE agents who do not recognize these documents as valid proof of citizenship.

I am inclined to agree with the post and what the Navajo Nation Council is asking for:

Navajo Nation Council Speaker Crystalyne Curley emphasized the immediate need for the Executive Branch to issue protocols for tribal members living off-reservation.

[–] karl_chungus@lemm.ee 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

You’d think they would’ve already done that as a bare minimum prior to detainment efforts.

The only reason ICE agents have to doubt these documents is discrimination, especially if these are verifiable Navajo nation members.

In other words: if you’re brown, you’d better have the papers they want you to have, which are not defined.

[–] realcaseyrollins@thelemmy.club -3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I disagree here somewhat. Now, maybe you know more about the background of ICE and how it's been utilized in the past, admittedly I am not. But from the outside looking in, I can't imagine a reason why ICE would have gone into reservations looking for Native Americans. If ICE usually isn't sicced on Native Americans, it would make sense that they don't have a process for validating the citizenhood of these Americans (although that certainly is quite an oversight).

As far as what documentation ICE looks for, isn't that the stuff on this list:

https://www.uscis.gov/save/current-user-agencies/commonly-used-immigration-documents

[–] karl_chungus@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Once again, maybe they should have figured out what qualified as acceptable documentation of Navajo citizenship before detaining them for failing to provide it.

The listed immigration documents do not apply to indigenous people because they aren’t immigrants, not because they’re here illegally.