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Trump has proposed permanently resettling Palestinians out of Gaza, calling it a "demolition site" and suggesting the U.S. take over and rebuild the territory.

His plan, seen as violating international law, has been rejected by Arab nations, who warn it could destabilize the region.

The proposal aligns with Israeli ultranationalists pushing for Palestinian expulsion.

Critics say it would eliminate hopes for a two-state solution and amount to mass displacement.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

It is hard for me to believe a president would fly in the face of international law, or just the law, or basic human decency, or sanity - but here is where we find ourselves.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Not me.

Reagan was famous for roping us into foreign wars, and we can all remember that famous picture of Donald Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam Hussein. Bush I, likewise, loved roping the US military into foreign wars where we shouldn't have been involved. Clinton came up with the term 'peacekeeping action' to rebrand his wars. Bush roped us into wars that lasted two decades, killed hundreds of thousands, and displaced millions AND started the US torture program. Obama destabilized multiple countries, was bombing seven countries at once when he left office, reclassified the term 'enemy combatant' to mask civilian kills, and made said torture legally permissible. Trump I arguably colluded with (or at least stood aside) while Russia escalated its military campaign against Ukraine. (Though I give him some credit for negotiating US withdrawal from Afghanistan and getting us out of Syria) Biden, like Obama, allowed the bombing of multiple countries throughout his presidency and, despite widespread reporting of Israeli atrocities, always made sure they got their WMD's courtesy of the US taxpayer.

All this is to say: They're all assholes, even if they give great speeches, and that's especially true with regard to support of Israel.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Though I give him some credit for negotiating US withdrawal from Afghanistan

He negotiated with the Taliban and didn't include the actual Afghan government in the discussion. He setup an intentional clusterfuck to take place after the election in the event of his loss. No credit is deserved for this.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Wasn't the actual Afghan government a terminally corrupt failure? There's a reason the Taliban took over the country that fast.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

A major factor in the country falling is because the US didn't include the Afghan government in the discussions to release 5000 Taliban fighters right before leaving the country.

Edit: what I should have added explicitly is they saw all that and just said fuck this and went AWOL rather than fight.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Wasn’t the actual Afghan government a terminally corrupt failure?

Yeah but you could say that about any imperial puppet.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I disagree.

That was a two-decade war that, had any other politician been elected, would have continued in perpetuity. I frankly couldn't care less if the withdrawal was botched. A botched withdrawal was better than the alternative.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The thing is, he had his whole presidency to pull out of Afghanistan, and then didn't. All he did was negotiate a political time bomb for his predecessor. Biden is the one who actually pulled the troops out. You should care that it was botched because it was done so on purpose, by Trump, at the negotiating table. Credit for actually pulling out goes too Biden.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

I couldn't care less about the circumstances. Also don't care who gets the credit, and besides, Biden loved to bloody his hands as evidenced by his decision to make sure Israel's WMD's always arrived on time. Pretending he was a peacemaker is just silly.

I care that a war meant to be permanent finally ended, as it should have done many, many years earlier.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

It is hard for me to believe...

You should check out the history of the USA sometime.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Their high morality was false, their allegiance was to wealth, their workers were enslaved and their genius was bought.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

You mean a convicted felon?

Surely a convicted felon would never do something like break international laws.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

i think he wants a war so he can flex some made-up wartime powers.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I'm sure that's part of it.

America loves wartime presidents.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Basically all of them?

The United States has been at war for 222 out of 239 years since its birth in 1776. This means that the U.S. has only been at peace for less than 20 years total since its birth.

https://shunculture.com/article/how-long-has-the-united-states-been-at-war

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

there's a documentary about the trials and tribulations of a peacetime president. i think bacon was involved.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Do we? For a bit maybe, but after a few years we aren't happy when it wasn't the "20 minute adventure" we were sold.