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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

I bet the Chinese are more than eager to take over all the soft power USA currently enjoy.
Fortunately for USA, the Chinese are too stupid to actually do it, because China wants to be a "respected" (as in feared) superpower, in much the same way Russia does.

Hopefully Trump will be out in 4 years, but I wouldn't be surprised if he hands the reign to someone as bad or worse, and USA will become an authoritarian dictatorship, under the guise of some kind of national security crisis.

Imagine how rich Musk could become if he controlled USA as Putin controls Russia!

[–] batcheck@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not sure I’m with you on the China not spreading their influence. It’s been exactly what they have been doing in Africa and the Middle East. This has been going on for a long while (close to 10 years) and seems to be working.

https://odi.org/en/insights/why-china-is-seeking-greater-presence-in-africa-the-strategy-behind-its-financial-deals

https://ecfr.eu/publication/east-meets-middle-chinas-blossoming-relationship-with-saudi-arabia-and-the-uae/

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yes absolutely, China has been going in places where USA doesn't have a strong standing.
What I'm arguing is that China could go in where USA is actually strong, and create closer relationships.
Except for their behavior lately makes most US allies very cautious towards China with good reason.

The soft power of African countries is limited.

[–] djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think you're overestimating the importance of the West. If China is able to control all of SA, SEA, and Africa, including all of their resource riches through debt, why would they care about Europe? What can Europe seriously offer them?

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 1 points 1 year ago

If Europe was willing to offer that China wouldn't be winning in Africa in the first place.

[–] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are you joking? China is absolutely willing to and understands how to grab that doft power

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

No they don't, if they did, they wouldn't escalate threats towards Taiwan. There is much more to be gained from increased cooperation with highly developed democratic countries around the world, but China is fucking up because of nationalistic ideological fanaticism that is very off-putting for democratic countries.

[–] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That’s different than being willing to take up soft power opportunities in other parts of the world. I promise you China will reach out to South America soon

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They've already done that for years. Because it's low hanging fruit, and most of those countries have strained relationships with USA for good reasons, much like the middle east.

USA has done way too much power-play for control and financial reasons, the Chinese are doing the same now.

[–] JoshuaBrusque@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

"Hopefully Trump will be out in 4 years,"

Eeeeeeeyeah, that's the type of widespread thinking that's going to prevent the actual solution to the problem. We will not be able to vote our way out of this one, they have been absolutely transparent with everything they said they would do and relinquishing their power is not on the table. We have to take it back by force.

[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

You lost me. The new silk road capitalizes on every US and Russian withdrawal since the cold war. Besides a few Soviet mercenaries, who do you think is developing Africa? They just pulled out of Nicaragua after trying to build a second Panama canal for a decade. They're pushing physical borders with India, looming over Taiwan.. bruh

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

Not sure if you've been living under a rock but China has already been expanding their soft power like crazy since the previous trump term. China is fucking everywhere, especially in Africa and Latin America, they have a huge amount of countries in their pockets already

[–] Scrollone@feddit.it 3 points 1 year ago

Hopefully Trump is out way sooner.