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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

All they can think to do

They're not that stupid.

They know exactly what voters want to hear and what they want politicians to do.

The issue is that is often the direct opposite of what their donors tell them to do. If they wanted to reach out, they'd hand AOC a megaphone or let Bernie talk about policy.

They're focused on "messaging" because that's what they have control over still. They can't change their votes or support of policies, because the oligarchs decide that for Dem leadership just like they do Republican.

A letter by their name doesn't make them your friend just because the other letter would make them your enemy. We need to have higher standards than just that letter, otherwise the ones with the most donations will keep winning primaries, and keep being the only other option.

[–] WatDabney@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 year ago

Yes.

The dirty little secret of the DNC is that they don't even really care about winning elections. They only want to keep the soft money flowing, and that requires never actually enacting any progressive policies, and if that means that they alienate voters and lose elections, that's fine by them.

In fact, they sort of prefer to lose. If they win, then they're stuck having to go through all sorts of bizarre contortions to somehow manage to continue to fail to do the things they promise their supporters they intend to do and they're the ones stuck with the blame when the policies they enact on the behalf of the donor class inevitably make things worse for everyone else. Bit if they lose, they don't have to actually do anything, and they get to fundraise on the need to stop the Republicans.

[–] iopq@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bernie is only popular with leftist voters. People just see what the average Democrat likes and think the whole country likes him. This is not the case, he wouldn't win a national election even if nominated

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bernie is also not a Democrat. He only joined the party to run for president. He left again.

[–] iopq@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Right, and his views wouldn't make a winning platform

[–] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As opposed to who, Hillary Clinton?

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, you need someone more charismatic than that

Obama won both terms easily. Even Biden won, although it was closer

[–] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Biden only won because we were in the middle of the pandemic and the economy was in the shitter and even then it was by a razor thin margin. Obama was charismatic and had a lot of us believing change would happen in 2008 but it never really came. In 2012 he beat Romney who was also milquetoast but most of the enthusiasm for him was gone by that point.

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He beat Romney even harder, it was a blowout. Why can't Democrats find a candidate that replicates this success?

[–] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think they want to if it means they'll have to actually live up to the party's stated ideals rather than Republican-lite ideals. That's why they back the Bidens, Clintons, and Harris' of the party instead of the AOCs or Sanders of the party.

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you run a left-leaning candidate then the Republicans would call them woke and socialist. The average voter is clearly not a fan. Especially men, no matter how much Democrats try to pretend otherwise

[–] Glemek@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They have called hillary clinton, joe biden, and kamala harris woke and socialists. They will do that to literally anyone. As long as the dem candidates are bad policy communicators those labels will stick and be perceived as negative.

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Kamala Harris famously advocated for banning fracking, co-sponsored Medicare for all, endorsed a mandatory gun buyback program, etc.

Of course she changed her views when running for president, but she had a very short time to actually convince voters that she's moved to the center