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people would rather have their personal data stolen by the chinese government than the US who poses much more of an immediate threat.
detractors describe this as astroturfing but that’s BS. congress brought this on themselves by making such a clearly self-serving gesture.
I don't know though. CCP certainly love their alt-right cousins, and they probably spent and will continue to spend a huge amount of money to get them elected in the western world.
Given CCP more data and means to produce such influence might not be the best of ideas.
Alt-right people are getting banned on Red Note from what I've heard.
Oh sure. Chinese living in the US telecom network for years isn't a threat. China compromising critical US infrastructure isn't an immediate threat.
And the issue is less about stealing your data (although that is an issue), it's about being shown pro-CCP and anti-American content by a Chinese app. It's about direct foreign influence by an adversarial county (the government, not the people, apparently that distinction needs to be pointed out to people here).
Oh no, hypothetical biased information. How will our brains process it in the event that it appears.
I think we're already seeing how...
Not sure what you mean. We see the problem with FOX viewers. You look at the people using TikTok for news (myself included), there's actually strong media literacy because they're learning about what deceit looks like.
Only a subset of Americans see Fox as trustworthy, and everyone outside the US (myself included) sees Fox as pure propaganda.
This hurts my soul so much. I think this just says a lot more about American education than anything else.
Frankly, if you were on TikTok at all, I don't think you were following who I was following. It's like YouTube. You can post stupid meme dance videos, you can post lectures by historians. I don't appreciate the condescension. When you are seeing things on there - primary source evidence, not any kind of propaganda - that directly contradict what you hear from conventional media, you're forced to develop skills to account for the disparity. Otherwise, without that info, you just stay in a bubble - which was precisely the intention of the ban.
Maybe this is an American-centric thing, but then the rest of the world does see the US as a strange place with strange ideas
The funny thing though, is that China is an even bigger bubble with thicker walls.
TikTok is a Chinese owned product, it's developed by people who live in China, and the Chinese government has a direct influence on the content and how it's presented to users. This isn't hearsay or an opinion. It's a fact.
Another fact, that people seem to always gloss over or ignore, is that TikTok isn't even allowed in the country that develops it. They have their own internal version called Douyin, which is the same as TikTok, and people outside of China aren't allowed to use it.
If China had one platform for everyone, this discussion wouldn't even be happening.
It's actually not a fact. Have you bothered to look up the ownership?
Are you really trying to contend that ByteDance, the owners/developers of TikTok, are not a Chinese based company?
You're moving the goalposts. Claim was "Chinese owned". It is not, it's a privately held company - here's a list of investors making up about 60%* of the institutional investor ownership:
Then the founders and the employees each hold about 20% ownership.
"Chinese owned" isn't the same as "CCP Owned".
It's not either.
Well that was easy to find. Also, your blurb about who has shares in ByteDance is practically lifted straight from TikTok's FAQ page. Not exactly an unbiased source.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ByteDance
https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/bytedance
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bytedance
I see more pro China anti American content in one day on Lemmy than I have in my entire existence on TikTok and RedNote combined.
You are running off imagination, assumptions and vibes.
I don't have a reason to doubt this, although I don't see this (any I've never used TikTok). Lemmy being an open platform means that it's rife for propagandists to spread their views. No one said pro-CCP and anti-American content was exclusive to TikTok or RedNote. But Lemmy is far more neutral than most other platforms, which means both pro and anti anything content has an equal chance. It just comes down to the userbase.
And with that openness comes the possibility for people employed to promote pro-CCP content also.
You dropped a comma there.
But no, I'm not running off of imagination or assumptions.