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The last time Donald Trump was president, he travelled to Youngstown, Ohio, among the most depressed of America’s rust belt cities, and promised voters the impossible.

The high-paying steel, railroad and car industry jobs that once made Youngstown a hard-living, hard-drinking blue-collar boom town were coming back, he said. “Don’t move. Don’t sell your house,” he crowed to a rapturous crowd in 2017. “We’re going to fill up those factories – or rip ”em down and build brand new ones”.

None of that happened. Indeed, within 18 months, General Motors (GM) announced that it was suspending operations at its one remaining ­manufacturing plant outside Youngstown, throwing 5,000 jobs into jeopardy in a community with little else to cling to. Trump’s reaction was to say the closure didn’t matter, because the jobs would be replaced “in, like, two minutes”.

That, too, did not happen. People moved away, marriages broke down, depression soared and, locals say, a handful of people took their own lives.

“The Democrats and the Republicans are all a den of crooks. Only one side lies about being crooks, and one doesn’t. If you’re going to be a crook, I’d rather know it than be lied to.”

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[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

That's not even an attempt to answer my question. What I'm saying is, however bad Biden and the Dems are (and they are, of course) the Republicans are much much worse. So people who vote for Trump because they don't like the Dems are just fucking stupid.

[–] quicklime@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Thing is, yeah they're fucking stupid but they're also voters who the Dems could have persuaded and hardly tried. Repeatedly spamming "vote for us or you get Trumped again" doesn't count as persuasion.

[–] DancingBear@midwest.social -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yea, but you’re not going to get anywhere thrashing and slamming independents who voted for Trump… Hillary chastising Dems and Obama chastising black men pretty much proved that…

We are not going to get anywhere by blaming the voters like the establishment politicians have been doing, this is a leadership issue… I heard Cory bush spelling today on npr this afternoon…

If Dems don’t want progressive voters in their party they need to come out and say it. Say who you are.

And if you don’t want progressives it’s probably why you lost the election…. Because you lied about what you care about…. America is a progressive country of voters run by a citizens united corrupt Supreme Court ruling

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I agree with all of that. But that still doesn't change that fact that anybody who voted for Trump is a fucking moron who voted against their own interests.

[–] DancingBear@midwest.social -2 points 1 year ago

People don’t like politics, they don’t watch the news… it’s pretty simple really, the dems suck azz