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Human thought crawls at 10 bits per second, Caltech study finds (www.techspot.com)

submitted 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Thanks to @[email protected] for the links!

Here’s a link to Caltech’s press release: https://www.caltech.edu/about/news/thinking-slowly-the-paradoxical-slowness-of-human-behavior

Here’s a link to the actual paper (paywall): https://www.cell.com/neuron/abstract/S0896-6273(24)00808-0

Here’s a link to a preprint: https://arxiv.org/abs/2408.10234

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

You are confusing input with throughput.

No I'm not, I read that part. Input is for instance hearing a sound wave, which the brain can process at amazing speed, separating a multitude of simultaneous sounds, and translate into meaningful information. Be it music, speech, or a noise that shouldn't be there. It's true that this part is easier to measure, as we can do something similar, although not nearly as well on computers. As we can determine not only content of sounds, but also extrapolate from it in real time. The sound may only be about 2x22k bit, but the processing required is way higher. And that's even more obviously way way way above 10 bit per second.

This is a very complex function that require loads of processing. And can distinguish with microsecond precision it reaches each ear to determine direction.
The same is the case with vision, which although not at all the resolution we think it is, requires massive processing too to interpret into something meaningful.

Now the weird thing is, why in the world do they think consciousness which is even MORE complex, should operate at lower speed? That idea is outright moronic!!!

Edit:

Changed nanosecond to microsecond.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

As I suggested to someone else, without any of us actually reading the paper, and I know I do not have the requisite knowledge to understand it if I did, dismissing it with words like "moronic" is not warranted. And as I also suggested, I don't think such a word can generally be applied to Caltech studies. They have a pretty solid reputation as far as I know.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I'm not fucking reading a paper with such ridiculous claims, I gave it a chance, but it simply isn't worth it. And I understand their claims and argumentation perfectly. They simply don't have a clue about the things they make claims about.
I've been investigating and researching these issues for 40 years with an approach from scientific evidence, so please piss off with your claims of me not understanding it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Without evaluating the data or methodology, I would say that the chance you gave it was not a fair one. Especially since you decided to label it "moronic." That's quite a claim.