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Why post this anecdote? Are you trying to draw a comparison to Muslims in general?
I'm sure you've made the same comment about mass shooting stories, stories about evil white supremacists painting swastikas, white supremacists shooting minorities...
Nope but we’re learning a lot about you
At least you're honest about your bad faith comment.
lol the faith disappeared when you tried to compare Muslims with white supremacists.
One of these things is not like the other….unless white supremacy is your religion, in which case get help.
The point which you've missed in spectacular fashion is that the threat of Muslims attacking people in the US is minimal just like the threat of white supremacists attacking people. Both are used to reinforce the us against the bad guys mentality, to bad you're not perceptive enough to see it on both sides.
The fact that this is all you see tells me you don’t have the full context of the thread. Good try, though.
Nice projection, just because it's difficult for you to understand what both sides are doing doesn't mean everyone else is that slow.
Speaking of slow I can’t believe you’re still so confused.
Your reasoning hasn’t been a secret this entire thread. The only way your comparison even works at all is if white supremacists were as harmless as Muslims.
Fact is, Islam is a religion that teaches peace and acceptance. Much like other religions such as Christianity for example, there are some sects which go…..another direction. But they don’t invalidate either religion themselves.
Now, let’s turn to white supremacists. Name one “good” white supremacist. Just one who doesn’t see white people as superior to others.
You can’t. Because there aren’t any. They all think that, because that’s what white supremacy is.
Your mistake is trying to inject a “good guy” into white supremacists, to make your comparison. There are none.. You’re focused on the violence aspect you forgot what white supremacists actually believe.
So no, I’m not projecting, and I’m not slow. I just couldn’t believe someone would be thick enough to suggest that there are any white supremacists worth arguing for at all, and now I can’t believe I just had to spell that out for you. Clearly you still don’t see the problem with that, and that’s sad.
Jimbo picking the worst argument on the planet to make aside,
Thats not a true fact. Do you know what a jihad is?
Jihad is simply one example of my point. Some focus on the lesser, others on the greater.
Did you know that the Bible also at times views incest as appropriate, or that women menstruating are “unclean” and must be secluded, or that wearing clothes made from two fabrics is a sin? Do all Christians abide by these teachings, or do they interpret these and similar ones differently based on their own sect or individual basis?
You cannot blame all Muslims for the violent actions of a few anymore than you can blame some Christians for misinterpreting their religion.
You know what you can do, though? Blame all white supremacists for being racist pieces of shit. That’s why it’s an apples and oranges comparison to make. If you disagree, name one white supremacist who isn’t a racist and I’ll shut up.
You won’t though, because there aren’t any. Instead you’re just going to deflect again, insult or mock me or accuse me of still not getting it. I really don’t care. I’ll continue asserting that all white supremacists are racists because that’s what white supremacy is, and that that’s a terrible comparison to make that point with because it is.
Someone else in another comment mentioned something yesterday about “1 in 10 nazis being good guys”. Why are so many people in this community more ok with racist pieces of shit with a track record of killing millions of other people because it’s inherent to their belief system to one sect of one religion that most members don’t even belong to or believe?
The difference nobody here seems to understand is white supremacists have to be racist. It’s in the name. Muslims do not have to interpret Jihad in a violent context. In fact, the people who interpret Jihad in a violent context is mostly non-Muslim societies, so this just tells me you don’t actually understand the point you’re trying to make.
All those words but you've yet to show that white supremacists attacks are common. It doesn't matter that they are evil. Lightning is a bigger threat than white supremacists.
Did you even read any of them?
The commonality was never the a focal point of this thread, the comparison between Muslims and white supremacists itself is.
You’re just diverting focus to an unrelated statistic as a means of both controlling the discussion and avoiding the fact that the comparison between the two is an apples and oranges one.
If you want to compare the two groups then please provide me of a single example of a “good” white supremacist. If you can’t, then it makes no sense to continue.
So now you're telling me what I ment when I made my original point. Your confidence in your incompetence is quite impressive.
Lol look at you trying to walk back your original argument, this is why we can’t have good faith discussions here.
If you’re gonna make a comparison, make it a good one.
Your inability to grasp a simple point is your issue not mine.
The point is grasped, but the point is worthless without a single example of its validity, which you have yet to provide.
Instead, you just keep going in circles asserting the point so as to avoid directly answering the fallacy of the point.
This is why conversations in this community always go nowhere.
Here's your evidence that white supremacists violence is rare. Is that valid enough for you?
https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files/images/2023-02/Murder%20and%20Extremism%20in%20the%20United%20States%20in%202022-table1.jpg
Why are you stuck on the prevalence of white supremacist violence reportings? We’ve already established it’s irrelevant. For the comparison between Muslims and white supremacists made to have been correct at all, you would have to be able to name a single white supremacist who isn’t a racist.
Your refusal to directly address this flaw in the comparison tells me you have no justification for the comparison itself, which is why you can’t stop bringing up prevalence.
I’ll be here just as soon as you decide to directly respond. But I guess you just want to keep repeating this circle.
Maybe if I repeat it once more, you’ll get it? STG it’s like arguing with a skipping record.
You've yet to explain why it's necessary that a white supremacists good guy exists for my point to be valid. You've just keep saying over and over that I must provide one. I'll be here as soon as you decide to provide that reasoning, but I guess you'll want to keep repeating this circle.
I’ve explained this as-nauseam, including in the message you’re replying to. If you still don’t know why that’s not my fault. Sorry you’re having trouble with this.
Also, nice projection.
You haven't explained your reasoning why in any reply to me. I wonder why...
I have been explaining in every comment in this thread, you’ve just been either choosing not to directly address it or you still don’t understand that my argument has been ignoring prevalence in favor of the logic of the comparison itself.
I’ll keep going in this circle for as long as you want though.
@BobaFuttbucker @jimbolauski Beating someone for not being #Muslim is not part of #Islam, I would argue
The other user’s comment suggests the point that not all white supremacists are bad, whereas most Muslims do not beat up others. Since white supremacy is itself the belief that one race is superior to others, that makes them the worse one. Therefore, your argument is irrelevant.
If I misunderstood their comment then I will allow them to clarify.
If I did not misunderstand and you disagree, that shows how little you know about Islam.
@BobaFuttbucker Interesting. You had accused the OP of sharing this post in order to exaggerate the danger of violent Muslims. @jimbolauski accused you of doing the same thing about Nazis.
Exaggerating the violence of a particular group is not the same as saying that the particular group is violent.
lol you have completely missed the core of my response.
How does one exaggerate the danger of Nazis? I am DYING to know.
@BobaFuttbucker
> How does one exaggerate the danger of Nazis? I am DYING to know.
By making it seem like there are more Nazis than there actually are
Well I didn’t bring Nazis into this conversation, and it doesn’t make sense to unless you’re making the point that they’re not all bad.
@BobaFuttbucker I'm not denying that Nazis are bad at all, and I don't think that @jimbolauski was either. However, like violent Muslims, they're a severe minority in the #USA that doesn't pose a significant danger to the general population. The comparison is apt
@BobaFuttbucker @jimbolauski I could make an article saying "This Pizza In #Atlanta Is Awful"; accusing me of making it seem like there's more bad pizza in #Atlanta than there actually is is different than saying I'm accusing all #Atlanta pizza of being bad.
lol you did not just try and compare Islam and nazis to pizza. You understand the difference, yeah?
Let me try this using your own comparison: If another pizza place made a pizza exclusively out of shit, there’s no defending shit pizzas. Even if you personally are a fan. It’s still literal shit.
If you’re comparing Islam and Nazis, then they must be like-for-like in order for your comparison to make sense.
So is Nazism a religion? And are you seriously defending it right now? Are you sure you want to die on that hill?
@BobaFuttbucker Dude ain't never heard of analogies before lol
Id argue that it is. Look at the muslim world, its pretty fucked up actually.
I get what you're saying, but my god man, you couldve gone with literally anything else. There arent any good white supremacists.
This is the point they continue to avoid, even now.
At least with violent followers of Islam they’re a subset. All white supremacists are racist, and genuinely believe white people are superior. It’s literally the name.
The public education system has failed them so badly.
Because this is a Far Right Fake New and Conspiracy Theory website. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WorldNetDaily ) And this is a conservative magazine, so yeah, lots of fake news and conspiracy theories. It's a self created fantasy world. Nothing better to do with their time. SMH
@Atelopus-zeteki @BobaFuttbucker @OnlyTakesLs far right is gay
R1, homophobia. I get your intent wasnt to insult gay people, so Im not removing it and putting on the federated mod log, but next time, please dont call things gay.
@Atelopus-zeteki @OnlyTakesLs @BobaFuttbucker So, are you guys saying that the info in the article is false?
That which is asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence. I'm asserting that WND is a Far Right Fake News and Conspiracy Theory website. The article states that photographs were taken of the alleged victim in an injured state, but the only photo is of the child's alleged mother. Also, even if it did happen, children behaving poorly on the playground is hardly national news. Do you have any evidence which indicates the validity of the story?
@Atelopus-zeteki @OnlyTakesLs @BobaFuttbucker Fair point. The original source is a website called #AlphaNews, which has the pictures of the child:
https://alphanews.org/exclusive-mother-says-third-grade-daughter-was-attacked-at-school-because-she-wasnt-muslim/
It was an exclusive, so we'll see. They said the cops were getting involved so maybe they'll make a statement.
Seems pretty clear the girl was attacked, although parents do lie about this typa thing about their kids so "not being #Muslim" might not be the real reason.