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Private property is personal property except in definitions from Marxists. I am not one, but I recognize the concept of the workers controlling the means of production.
Simply put, using this terminology conflates two different concepts in 90%+ of people heads and is counterproductive.
I agree in most contexts I wouldn't use it, but this is a meme about communism on lemmy which is 90% socialist / fellow travelers. The level of discussion on this forum is high enough that we can use or introduce people to ideas like Marx's definition of private property. We don't need to dumb down shit for the normies here.
Trying to indoctrinate other human beings into an philosophy from hundreds of years ago that has been used by brutal dictators to abuse countless people is an interesting goal. Good luck!
The ideas of Marx, such as class conflict, private property etc. , have advanced socialists understanding of society and political economy significantly. To reject all of those ideas because they were co-opted by dictators is myopic.
Are you going to reject Darwin's theories of evolution because he had some questionable views on eugenics and since his ideas were used to justify Nazi eugenics policies and the Holocaust?
Are you indoctrinating people into a philosophy from a hundred years ago that has been used by brutal regimes espousing social darwinist ideals to send people to their death when you explain the concept of natural selection?
Those are not solely his ideas, he was building off a lot that came before him. He was not even close to the first person to write about class struggle. I am not sure why you feel the need to elevate him onto a pedestal. Probably related to why you feel the need to indoctrinate people.
If Darwinism was used to brutaly oppress and murder countless people I would seriously question it. Comparing scientific study to philosophy seems pretty suspect though. I wish you good luck on your journey.
What's your objection here then? You don't seem to have a problem with the ideas core to Marxism such as class struggle and the abolition of private property, even if you reject the terminology used to describe it. Do you just reject the attribution of these ideas to Marx or there bundling under the term Marxism? If I rephrased my arguments and quoted bakunin instead of Marx would I still be indoctrinating people?
It has been and I gave examples above which you refuse to address. Darwinism is as core to eugenics as Marxism is to leninism, both take an idea and use it to justify the control and murder of people in the name of progress.
It isn't his ideas first of all. Second, none of his ideas or predictions have ever came to fruition. Hundreds of years later and still zero socialism. Perhaps you idolize him, well I don't. My study of persuasion and the art of propaganda has taught me one important lesson. Never elevate any human.
You are truly acting more along the lines of someone who is religious. This is okay, because it is your passion. I am not here to judge you and I support you in your personal beliefs. I don't share them in the same way though.