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[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 51 points 4 days ago (5 children)

This is another good example of saying “Fuck (country name)” they’re usually talking about the government of that country, and not necessarily the citizens. For example, Russia can fuck right off, but I’d expect that most Russian citizens are decent people who are merely drowning in propaganda. Lots of people are, all around the world.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

82% of Israelis support the ethnic cleansing of All Palestinians, which is a textbook crime against humanity.

56% support removing every arab/Palestinian CITIZEN of Israel from israel permanently, and revoking their Israeli citizenship based on their race.

47% agreed with the idea of killing every single Palestinian like the biblical wars in their book.

https://www.genocidewatch.com/single-post/poll-show-most-jewish-israelis-support-expelling-gazans

So theres no need to bend over backward to protect the Israeli public. No one assigned these views to them, this is what the vast majority of them choose to believe. many people on this thread try so hard to separate them from their government and assign all the crimes to the government. Except for a tiny majority, this murder and ethnic cleansing is exactly what they say they want and what they support. The problem is not just their governments, its the vast majority of the people too.

[–] bryophile@lemmy.zip 27 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yes even US Americans are probably just decent people generally. I know it's hard to imagine with some of these countries but we shouldn't forget people aren't their governments.

[–] NotSteve_@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 days ago

Yeah, Americans can be insufferable but I try to consider that they're indoctrinated from birth and people be people. Birthplace doesn't dictate the person

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 16 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I take that approach for almost countries, but I have a hard time with Israel because their polls continue to show 80%+ support for the genocide. That’s a huge portion of the population to be irredeemable.

[–] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 days ago

I think you’ll find that support for the regime outside of Moscow is poor.

[–] stylusmobilus@aussie.zone 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] stylusmobilus@aussie.zone 3 points 4 days ago

Comments on either here or one of the others

Doesn’t matter 80 is well enough and both track

[–] yucandu@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

They support what they believe. They believe anything bad being reported is just antisemitism.

[–] Jordan117@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago

Tbh, Israelis as a whole invite a lot of hate upon themselves by wholeheartedly supporting outright genocide. Public polling there shows a disturbingly large number of even young, secular Israelis advocate for killing everyone in Gaza, including women and children:

https://zeteo.com/p/its-not-just-netanyahu-a-lot-of-israelis

https://theconversation.com/in-israel-calls-for-genocide-have-migrated-from-the-margins-to-the-mainstream-250010

That doesn't mean every Israeli or every Jewish person is culpable or suspect, ofc. But I think it's even more justifiable to distrust the country as a whole as it is to distrust the US electorate after re-electing Trump. Netanyahu is corrupt and bloodthirsty, but his policies still enjoy broad support from voters there.

[–] MrNobody@quokk.au -1 points 4 days ago

I fully mean fuck the state and the people of Israel. May their country be destroyed and the lands returned to the Palestinians. Israelis can go flee to the US or something for all I care.