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It always impresses me how Christianity = evangelicalism in the mind of most Lemmynauts. Outside evangelicalism (and even partly within evangelicalism), going to hell or heaven has nothing to do with being theologically correct or not. I mean, even the Catholic church, which is both by far the biggest one and absolutely not one of the most open ones states with an absolute clarity that non-Christians can go to heaven too.
Catholics do not believe that non-Christians go to heaven. Best case scenario, righteous unbelievers go to purgatory. Same with unbaptised babies.
Also, I grew up going to baptist and pentecostal churches. They 1000% do not think my atheist ass is getting into heaven no matter how righteous I am, even though I got baptized for that matter. Unless I repent at the 11th hour and "accept Jesus into my heart as my savior," anyway. There are certainly plenty denominations that are not all about preaching "hellfire for the unbeliever", but even plenty of those still believe that is true even if they're not boasting about it. There are some that allow for people to be saved through ignorance of Jesus (which makes missionary work kind of fucked up when you think about it that way). But even that is not the norm.
Jesus' sacrifice saving humanity from eternal damnation is a key tenet of nearly all denominations. And most of them also say that you need to actually accept it and turn your life over to him to qualify for the get out of Hell free card.
Source: 37 years of life in the Bible belt as both an active churchgoer and apostate.
Purgatory is a step that leads to heaven, not a final destination. It's a step that a lot of Catholics will have to take too, according to the catholic church so it's not something that separates believers and non-believers.
Baptism and Pentecostalism are categories of evangelicalism. So yeah, they believe that. But they're a minority within Christianity.
Yes.
No. Only in evangelicalism.
I was grown myself as a Catholic. And no, what you're saying is false.
It might be sort of the "official stance", even though contradicted from one document to another (in the catechism it says that not believing is a cardinal sin, for example, which means that just by consistently refusing to believe, you go to hell, for example), but even if so, most of practitioners just believe that atheist or agnostig = dangerous, criminal, ill and will and SHOULD go to hell, and even worse if you critisize religion.
It will depend on your parish. Catholicism is not a monolith. But the Catechism is clear :
Atheism is taught to be very serious, but the circumstances have to be taken into account. People reject the Church because the believers fail in their mission, either because they wrongly teach or because of their actions which contradict the teaching. In this case, the imputability of the sin of atheism is diminished, so it's not anymore a cardinal sin. God only can make the difference.
I'm no Catholic myself, but their teaching is clear. That members of the Church believe differently, especially in America where Evangelicalism seems to have win the religious cultural war is not surprising, but the teaching stays.
Edit : I may be wrong, as always, but show me one Catholic official text that says that atheists go directly to hell, without the same kind of limitation as the Catechism. I think I'll wait a long time.
But that doesn't negate what you experienced as a child. It's just that these people were not in accordance to the actual objective Catholic teaching, just like JD Vance. Religion in America is sick, and evangelicalism is the cause.
That is not true. Lots of Christian denominations believe that as well. Most of them in fact. You are just Americentric in your belief that Evangelicalism is automatically meant, when that is not really a large denomination outside of the US.
I'm not American. I know no denomination outside evangelicalism which teach that. And in France, even evangelicals does not teach that for a large part. Catholicism does not. Mainline Protestantism does not. I don't know well Eastern Orthodoxy, but as far as I know, they do not either.
Well, consider me brainwashed by evangelicals then. Non-evangelicals really need to step up their PR game.
Yeah, that's what cults do. I'm very sorry, and happy for you you found a way out. It's better to be an atheist than jailed in a cult, and I know God will understand.
False, not only in evangelicalism. The words of Jesus Christ disagree with you. Do you need me to quote the "Narrow Gate" to you? You should be very familiar with it if you've read the Bible.
I'm old enough to remember when kids started taking their new flip phones to public school and secretly recording their teachers berating their muslim or atheist students. The recordings stopped when teachers realized any student could be recording any conversation.
I'm also coded enough that bigots test the waters with me to see what I'll agree with. I don't exactly trust quiet christians. They're very polite when they assume you're also religious and things can go quickly downhill if they find out you're not.
Sure they do! That's because they've become more moderate over the centuries in their long decline since The Great Mortality. This allows them to continue their parasitic ways in a secular society.
However, they spent many more centuries claiming the exact opposite, because the Bible says that most will burn in Hell. Repeatedly. Throughout.
The "absolute clarity" is in direct opposition to what they falsely claim is The Word of God. It's absolutely clear that they are a cancer on the Earth.
Jesus actually uses two different words which get translated as hell: Sheol, and Hades. This makes sense, because most of the people around where he lived were Jews or Hellenists. Sinful Jews go to Sheol, where their souls are cleansed by a purifying fire and they cease to exist. Sinful Hellenists go to the bottom level of Hades, Tartarus, where they're punished forever.
Neither of those is what Dante described in his fanfic.
Wrong. But I had this discussion with evangelicals 1000 hundred times it's not interesting anymore. I'll begin by citing theologians like Aquinas (13^th^ century), you'll answer saying “meh don't care it's not in the Bible” or, if you studied theology (but you probably didn't), citing the one big exception, Augustine (which still wrote that God's mysterious grace could be greater than what he himself thought). But with that I will have proved that no, it's not a recent evolution of Christian theology, but something the churches hold still the beginning, with exceptions.
Then I'll cite Romans 2:12-16, Luke 12:47-48, Matthew 25:31-46 or Acts 10:34-35, and you'll do mental gymnastics that will grant you a place in the coming Olympics to reconcile this with the idea that only Christians are saved, using texts like John 3:18. And I'll say, yes, the Bible contradicts itself on this subject like on most others, but my position is better established and coherent with the global message of the Bible, the church history, and the reason, while yours is not. And you'll be shocked : “what? You don't believe in biblical inerrancy? You're not a Christian!” and I'll answer “okay, bro”, like I do with disrespectful people on the net.
And we will both have lost a lot of time, and you will have push more people to hate Christ while you will feel oh so righteous.
You're wrong, according to the Bible itself, repeatedly throughout. Anyone who's read it knows that you're wrong.
I have over 12 years of daily Bible studies, and don't care if you took a theology college course(s), or even if you were a Catholic priest, or whatever your education was.
I'll cite Matthew 25:46, too. It says "eternal punishment" for a reason (and also John 3:18 of course)... and "the righteous" is clearly defined.... also, Isaiah 66:24, Matthew 13:50, Mark 9:42, Luke 13:3 and 16:23, 2 Thessalonians 1:9, Revelation 21:8, and on and on and on and on, there are many more.
Also, recall the words of Jesus Himself, which disagree with you. The gate is narrow, and few will find it. I won't even get into original sin here, there's no need.
Re Aquinas... he's not relevant to this discussion, I'm not talking medieval philosophers, but the Bible.
Thank you for making up claims about my possible responses, as this clearly shows that you're not really interested in an actual discussion, and would instead prefer to babble your lazy imagining as if it were applicable. All of your assumptions about me are wrong, your strawman arguments are wrong, and you are wrong.
If you consider this a waste of time, be silent. I quite enjoy it.
As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly. ~Proverbs 26:11
Okay, bro.
Original sin, brah, take a course on that.
... and Jesus hates liars
Evangelicalism is a religion of hate, evidence #8376383.
I pray that you'll find Jesus one day. Then you'll understand that he hates no one. In the meantime… bye, you're blocked. I can't do anything more for you.
I'm not evangelical, and what I say isn't evangelical.
Please learn about logical fallacies and stop publicly embarrassing yourself (and me, you make me wince with your ridiculous arguments).
This is your first lie.
This is your second lie.
This is your third lie.
GOD says He hates liars. Jesus says He hates liars. In the Bible. Your opinion is without value.
This is your fourth lie.
You are wrong by the the laws of logic, and you are wrong by the Word of God.
Using any Pope as an authority on Heaven is, frankly, ridiculous and humiliating to everyone involved in your absurd claims; you should be ashamed of yourself. You are even wrong by the examples of history.
You can't possibly be more wrong. Good day.