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Well how about that? (ani.social)

submitted 1 day ago by GolfFoxtrotLima@ani.social to c/liberalgunowners@lemmy.world

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cross-posted from: https://slrpnk.net/post/21386331

NRA been quiet right

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[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 43 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Anyone that tells you to not try to invoke your constitutional rights is a fed or doesn’t have your best interests in mind.

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

All they are saying is the law won't protect you in the end. You can't rely on it to save you.

[–] Septimaeus@infosec.pub 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

That is valid as an emotion. But it does not help your neighbor when ICE is at their door. And it does not aid the cause of the resistance.

“Call 911” is an example of useful advice. 2 reasons:

It creates a timestamped record of the home invasion that is difficult to bury or erase, can be aired by local news stations, and is fully admissible as evidence in any state or federal court (Davis v. Washington).
There are now increasing reports from across the country of local and state police arriving at the scene of ICE home invasions and abductions with body cameras on and either mediating or stopping an abduction in progress (by, for example, acting like they are pulling jurisdiction and arresting the victim to secure them in their squad car). So there is at least a chance the law could, in fact, protect you.

Again, valid as a feeling. Just irresponsible as advice. More importantly it is what ICE would prefer that people believe so they lose hope, give up, and do not resist.

Edit: spoiler tag

[–] Mirshe@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Moreover, ICE in some jurisdictions has been imitating police, even pulling people over and flashing badges to make them think it's a traffic stop. I can't imagine local PDs being too pleased with this happening, even if they're both arms of state violence.

[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Depends on the local pd. Many are signing up to work as ICEholes.

[–] Septimaeus@infosec.pub 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Many but likely small as a percentage, since most departments and unions have strict rules re: dual employment, and most wouldn’t give up their benefits for a temp federal gig.

By contrast, the group that is by most accounts way over-represented among new ICE recruits are wannabe cops (rejected applicants, academy dropouts, and disgraced former cops) which if nothing else puts in perspective the nationwide trend of police impersonation by ICE agents described above.

[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

It’s not a dual role, it’s partnering with ICE at a state or county level. As of last August around 1600 local departments were doing that.

https://themarkup.org/tools/2025/04/16/law-enforcement-ice-cooperation-tracker

[–] Septimaeus@infosec.pub 1 points 12 hours ago

Ah sorry I misunderstood your meaning before. Definitely a huge number of 287(g) agreements in Texas, and both Florida and Georgia went so far as to pass legislation forcing all county, municipal, and state agencies to sign the agreement. The rest appear to skew toward sheriff departments in select counties of purple and red states, which I guess is predictable.

Still, it is a small fraction of PDs in the US (~9%) even with those 3 big red states officially “all in,” since there are ~17,600 local and state law enforcement agencies in the US.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_in_the_United_States

[–] Malyca@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 day ago

People are learning this too slowly. The social contract is broken and there are no laws, that's the reality of the situation and that's how they will behave. 2nd amendment is all people will feel they have left and I don't blame them.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 day ago

I think "try" is the operative word here.