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[–] untropvertimide@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Agreed.

There was a famous case in France several years ago, around the freshly dead heinous monster named Jean-Marie Le Pen. His "orator talents" were praised after his death, both by dominant media and dominant politicians, including supposed to be ennemies with him and his legacy. Those who still publicly stood against him and his legacy were told to rospect the dead and were vilified. But as some members of communities he targeted said: "I will respect him in death like he respected us while alive."

The man was a white national-supremacist with ties to the OG nazis. Racist, imperialist, xenophobe, LGBT-phobe, redheaded-phobe(?), ... He very probably participated with enthousiasm in torture and other mass crimes from the french side during Algeria's independence war. (Also, colonialisation is a mass crime in itself.)

So yeah, fuck forced reverence. This guy was a hateful mass criminal, and his death didn't change this fact.

[–] tetris11@feddit.uk 10 points 1 day ago

I will respect him in death like he respected us while alive.

This should be printed everywhere

[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I like to think we should celebrate like the massive crowd outside Florida State prison in 1989 for Ted Bundy's execution. No one mourned the execution of that monster or spoke well of him after he fried. Same for them.

[–] untropvertimide@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If we're talking about D.J. Trump, then I'm pretty sure we can expect at least some sighs of relief in many countries, but not from those in power. This guy is a nuisance for more than just the USA, because of the USA's geopolitical dominant position, and also because of the international networking between supremacist leaders and similar.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

pretty sure we can expect at least some sighs of relief in many countries

Only a brief one.

We know that Trump is only the chaotic mouthpiece for a much larger and much more problematic power structure in the USA.

A power structure that has been quietly and increasingly fucking the rest of us for decades. Trump simply ripped the mask off and got loud about it.

[–] untropvertimide@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

We know that Trump is only the chaotic mouthpiece for a much larger and much more problematic power structure in the USA.

A power structure that has been quietly and increasingly fucking the rest of us for decades. Trump simply ripped the mask off and got loud about it.

Not just in the USA. All around the world, mainly among the self proclaimed "(representative) democraties", which are many countries. (The openly authoritarian regimes are already authoritarian, but can still progress toward more intolerance.)

And yes Trump, while himself being the symptom of these systems current state, has acted as a catalyst for the march toward hateful authorianism.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

Trump, while himself being the symptom of these systems current state, has acted as a catalyst for the march toward hateful authorianism.

He has also acted as a counterexample in a lot of places where people are waking up to the risks of going down that path towards hateful authoritarianism.

[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Them, being him, McConnell, and Graham?

[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 1 points 20 hours ago

Yes, and many others.